Considering the HTC VIVE Focus Vision as replacement for HP Reverb G2. Will it work for DCS?

Hoggorm · February 9

Hello,

Relatively unfamiliar with VR headset and I am considering the HTC VIVE Focus Vision as replacement for my current HP Reverb G2.

Will it work for DCS or are there known issues?

Thank you

speed-of-heat · February 9

yes it will, but, its a relatively old headset VRcompare - The Internet's Largest VR & AR Headset Database might help you, basically pretty much any headset compatible with steam or OpenXR will work

Tensorial_Architect · February 9

Not only that but I believe the Vive Focus Vision will work with Mbbuchia's QuadViews in Fixed Foveated rendering mode. (If you are unfamiliar, basically a method for blurring the outer periphery where you are not looking to regain FPS.)

Hoggorm · February 9

1 hour ago, speed-of-heat said:

yes it will, but, its a relatively old headset VRcompare - The Internet's Largest VR & AR Headset Database might help you, basically pretty much any headset compatible with steam or OpenXR will work

Relatively old you say? Was it not released October last year?

1 hour ago, Tensorial_Architect said:

Not only that but I believe the Vive Focus Vision will work with Mbbuchia's QuadViews in Fixed Foveated rendering mode. (If you are unfamiliar, basically a method for blurring the outer periphery where you are not looking to regain FPS.)

Thank you. I read somewhere that it might not work in DCS. Maybe it has changed?

Phantom711 · February 9

Yes, it is a relatively new headset, but but it has fresnel lenses, which is not very appealing.

vor 2 Stunden schrieb Tensorial_Architect:

Not only that but I believe the Vive Focus Vision will work with Mbbuchia's QuadViews in Fixed Foveated rendering mode.

Why „fixed“? The Focus Vision has eyetracking. That being said, the eyetracking might be kinda pointless with said fresnel lenses.

What exactly brings you to the HTC Vive Focus Vision?

speed-of-heat · February 9

1 hour ago, Hoggorm said:

Relatively old you say? Was it not released October last year?

Thank you. I read somewhere that it might not work in DCS. Maybe it has changed?

Apologies I meant old tech...

diego999 · February 9

It will work but I don't think it's worth it to buy a new headset with fresnel lenses in 2025. I'd look for other options.

Tensorial_Architect · February 10

Apologies, I forgot the Focus Vision has eye tracking. It is a headset I have never owned or had a chance to play around with.

Hoggorm · February 10

9 hours ago, diego999 said:

It will work but I don't think it's worth it to buy a new headset with fresnel lenses in 2025. I'd look for other options.

12 hours ago, Phantom711 said:

Yes, it is a relatively new headset, but but it has fresnel lenses, which is not very appealing.

Why „fixed“? The Focus Vision has eyetracking. That being said, the eyetracking might be kinda pointless with said fresnel lenses.

What exactly brings you to the HTC Vive Focus Vision?

Yes, I've read about the very negative comments regarding the fresnel lenses. I have the HP Reverb G2, with fresnel lenses, and I really do not have any issues with it.

The alternatives I've looked at are the following:

Meta Quest 3. Apart from the positive sides I have tried an Quest 3S. It did not fit my head very good. I felt I'd throw it off me should I turn my head too fast. In addition I really do not favor the company Meta/Facebook, and do what I can to stay away from it.

Pimax Crystal. Seems like everyone likes it in the reviews. Until you see that most reviewers have been given the headset for free or even been paid for the review. Many reviews from actual owners seem less enthusiastic. Including a friend of mine who ended up returning it.

11 hours ago, speed-of-heat said:

Apologies I meant old tech...

I understand!

7 hours ago, Tensorial_Architect said:

Apologies, I forgot the Focus Vision has eye tracking. It is a headset I have never owned or had a chance to play around with.

So what does this mean? Is it good or bad..?

Edited February 10 by Hoggorm

Tensorial_Architect · February 10

If a headset has eye tracking, it can efficiently use Mbbuchia's QuadViews software package to increase your frame rate. (Basically, the resolution is rendered very highly where your fovea are looking but with a lessening resolution outside that zone.) So, it's a good thing!

Hoggorm · February 10

12 minutes ago, Tensorial_Architect said:

So, it's a good thing!

Great! Thank you for the heads up

diego999 · February 10

4 hours ago, Hoggorm said:

Meta Quest 3. Apart from the positive sides I have tried an Quest 3S. It did not fit my head very good. I felt I'd throw it off me should I turn my head too fast. In addition I really do not favor the company Meta/Facebook, and do what I can to stay away from it.

I have a Quest 3. You are absolutely on point with the sensation. The stock facial interface is terrible. An alternative one is almost mandatory should you get a Quest headset.

About Meta, I don't care but I understand other people's concern.

The headset itself is very good. Clarity from edge to edge of the lenses is the main selling point, at a reasonable price. Shame it's made by a shady company.

The Quest 3S is a Frankenstein made with Quest 2 leftovers. And it has the same fresnel lenses. Do not buy.

Edited February 10 by diego999

NightstalkerNOR · February 10

2 hours ago, diego999 said:

I have a Quest 3. You are absolutely on point with the sensation. The stock facial interface is terrible. An alternative one is almost mandatory should you get a Quest headset.

The OP mentioned the Quest 3S. Just to clarify; you are referring to the Quest 3, and the Quest 3 (not S) is also terrible in regards to the facial interface? I am in the same dilemma on choosing a replacement for the HP Reverb G2, but there seems to be some sort of vacuum in finding a clear choice to replace it with.

Phantom711 · February 10

@Hoggorm

I‘m just saying, you want to throw out a significant amount of money for very little gain over the G2. You just get a slightly higher res, paired with eye-tracking (a pointless feature with fresnel lenses in my opinion) and the fact that you can let go of WMR/Win10.
Then you say that most of the positive reviews for the Pimax Crystal are allegedly biased due to the headset being given to the reviewer for free. So you decide to go for the headset with the honest, un-bribed but bad reviews?

Sounds like you are just looking for confirmation really.

Let me put it in simpler terms. The HTC Focus Vision is not a thing in the DCS community. As you might have realised no one who has commented so far owns one. I visit this forum on an almost daily basis…I‘ve never read from anyone here giving a first-person review or even just some thoughts about ownership either…

We pointed out all the options in an affordable price range. The ideal headset currently doesn‘t exist.

NightstalkerNOR · February 10

21 minutes ago, Phantom711 said:

@Hoggorm

I‘m just saying, you want to throw out a significant amount of money for very little gain over the G2.

May I ask what you are basing that on? Own experience, or tech data comparisons? I am in the same dilemma as the OP and I find it very confusing to identify any replacement because there seems to be some sort of discrepency between tech info and experience, and it also seems highly subjective. I've tried the Crystal Light but experience what the OP have described and I am in the process of returning it.

21 minutes ago, Phantom711 said:

The ideal headset currently doesn‘t exist.

So it seems. Good to know, actually.

diego999 · February 10

2 hours ago, NightstalkerNOR said:

The OP mentioned the Quest 3S. Just to clarify; you are referring to the Quest 3, and the Quest 3 (not S) is also terrible in regards to the facial interface?

Yes you are correct. The regular not S Quest 3 has a very bad facial interface. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

NightstalkerNOR · February 10

3 minutes ago, diego999 said:

Yes you are correct. The regular not S Quest 3 has a very bad facial interface. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

Alright. That's unfortunate... . Thanks for the clarification

Phantom711 · February 10

vor 1 Stunde schrieb NightstalkerNOR:

May I ask what you are basing that on? Own experience, or tech data comparisons? I am in the same dilemma as the OP and I find it very confusing to identify any replacement because there seems to be some sort of discrepency between tech info and experience

Fair enough…I‘m also just basing it on tech specs. But I did have a G2 myself, so I know how fresnel lenses are like. It‘s also true, that until you have tried pancake lenses, you don‘t really know what you are missing.

From what I read, the HTC only supports 90Hz refresh rate. It‘s simply much easier to match 72 or 80Hz with FPS and hence have a smooth experience. That‘s another red flag for me…

In case you are wondering…I went for the Quest Pro and I‘m very happy with it. Sometimes I wish it had better res…somewhere around where the HTC is actually…but as I said, very happy with the overall experience.

NightstalkerNOR · February 10

5 minutes ago, Phantom711 said:

Fair enough…I‘m also just basing it on tech specs. But I did have a G2 myself, so I know how fresnel lenses are like. It‘s also true, that until you have tried pancake lenses, you don‘t really know what you are missing.

From what I read, the HTC only supports 90Hz refresh rate. It‘s simply much easier to match 72 or 80Hz with FPS and hence have a smooth experience. That‘s another red flag for me…

In case you are wondering…I went for the Quest Pro and I‘m very happy with it. Sometimes I wish it had better res…somewhere around where the HTC is actually…but as I said, very happy with the overall experience.

Thank you. That's a good answer. I've been looking into the Quest Pro, but was under the impression that it was even worse than Meta Quest 3?

Aapje · February 10

The head strap and facial interface for the Quest 3 can be replaced easily. It's not a good reason to shun it, similar to how you shouldn't discount a smartphone just because it comes with a cheap case that you don't like.

Hoggorm · February 10

3 hours ago, Phantom711 said:

@Hoggorm

I‘m just saying, you want to throw out a significant amount of money for very little gain over the G2. The ideal headset currently doesn‘t exist.

We can agree on the latter. It appears that the ideal headset does not exist, yet. And I have also noticed that no-one who owns the HTC have replied. Makes me wonder of course.

On the former however I will disagree. You say throw out money as if the Focus Vision is garbage. I do not know.

One could ask a couple of questions: Should both the Quest 3 and the Focus Vision cost the same. Would you still go for the Quest 3?

Should the Focus Vision have had these pancace lenses instead of Fresnel (but the current price difference). Would you still go for the Quest 3?

And finally: Am I willing to pay (significantly) more to stay away from Meta. Well, maybe. I might give them a try for 60 days.

NightstalkerNOR · February 10

10 minutes ago, Aapje said:

The head strap and facial interface for the Quest 3 can be replaced easily. It's not a good reason to shun it, similar to how you shouldn't discount a smartphone just because it comes with a cheap case that you don't like.

That's good to know. Another feature that is easily missed in the jungle of finding an H2 replacement. Thanks

Phantom711 · February 10

vor 27 Minuten schrieb Hoggorm:

Should both the Quest 3 and the Focus Vision cost the same. Would you still go for the Quest 3?

With that choice, yes, I would still go for the Quest 3. As I explained, the eye-tracking does not outweigh the fresnel lenses.

vor 27 Minuten schrieb Hoggorm:

Should the Focus Vision have had these pancace lenses instead of Fresnel (but the current price difference). Would you still go for the Quest 3?

No. Since the fresnel are my main gripe with it, in that scenario I would opt for the HTC.

EDIT: All I‘m saying is my opinion. I try to back it up with the reasoning behind it. But at the end it is just my opinion and I do not claim it to be the one and only ultimate truth.

Edited February 10 by Phantom711

Qcumber · February 10

2 hours ago, NightstalkerNOR said:

Thank you. That's a good answer. I've been looking into the Quest Pro, but was under the impression that it was even worse than Meta Quest 3? T

The Quest Pro is a very good headset. Don't judge it on specs alone. There is a reason it used to cost £1500. I managed to pick one up second hand (immaculate as new) for £300 last year and have never looked back. The lenses are very good as is the contrast etc and It has eye tracking. It is much more comfortable than a rift s or Pico 4. I don't have any experience with a Q3 or other headsets.

Hoggorm · February 10

46 minutes ago, Phantom711 said:

EDIT: All I‘m saying is my opinion. I try to back it up with the reasoning behind it. But at the end it is just my opinion and I do not claim it to be the one and only ultimate truth.

Your opinion and thoughts on this matter is highly appreciated Phantom711 Thank you

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