Flyby Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 Can you see this page (*&%$@#$%%^^9)? No, because it's a stealth page!:lol: But go to this link, and see what our Russian friends are thinking about: http://englishrussia.com/?p=3268 Nice pictures anyway. ;) Flyby out The U.S. Congress is the best governing body that BIG money can buy. :cry:
topol-m Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 It looks great and more alien than F-22 :) Too bad its not the real PAK-FA. I doubt it will look that far from any existing plane, but anyways nice artwork :thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
gigz-on Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 I don't like these photos.. Too much futurism, I think. My YouTube Channel:
gigz-on Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 A real one will be much better, I promise!;) My YouTube Channel:
Flyby Posted July 21, 2009 Author Posted July 21, 2009 still... the artist's concepts look very interesting, no? The U.S. Congress is the best governing body that BIG money can buy. :cry:
gigz-on Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 Yes, It's interesting and much better than previous images of PAK FA, but there's one problem - I think these pics are futuristic, not realistic.;) My YouTube Channel:
Pilotasso Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 (edited) The planes dont look "right". Remeber if it looks right it flies right. Furthermore they look more complicated than they need to be. Why a squashed cockpit, or the cockroach apearance of the plane? = Expensive to build. Those are only art sketches and of course the real blue prints are probably very different. These art pictures seem to be more about desinformation (or lack of base) than anything else. :) Edited July 21, 2009 by Pilotasso .
Namenlos Ein Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 Is it page stealth? http://www.duler.ru/design.html 1
Vekkinho Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 Dunno but some of the artwork from http://englishrussia.com/?p=3268 remind me of a 1980's ficiton or simply put F-19 :doh: 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Boberro Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 (edited) The planes dont look "right". Remeber if it looks right it flies right. In most cases I agree but what about Berkut? It doesn't look normal (compared to typical planes, I mean example wings shape and their direction), but supposedly it flies very well (dunno it is true or not) Edited July 21, 2009 by Boberro Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
Vekkinho Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 ^^^^^ I guess there are shared opinions on Su-47 aesthetics... 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
X-man Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 Dunno but some of the artwork from http://englishrussia.com/?p=3268 remind me of a 1980's ficiton or simply put F-19 :doh: My thought as well :) 2 64th Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 135.181.115.54
Flyby Posted July 21, 2009 Author Posted July 21, 2009 The planes dont look "right". Remeber if it looks right it flies right. Furthermore they look more complicated than they need to be. Why a squashed cockpit, or the cockroach apearance of the plane? = Expensive to build. Those are only art sketches and of course the real blue prints are probably very different. These art pictures seem to be more about desinformation (or lack of base) than anything else. :) Don't forget the "Wobbly Goblin", alias F117 NightHwak. Who would have though that thing could fly? Never discount computer-aided flight controls. Also thanks to the advancement in construction materials, the forward-swept fighter planes like the Berkut are possible, as was the case with the experimental X29 in the '80s: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEKmRxrkKt4&feature=related and here's the gorgeous Berkut: So perhaps if you can dream it, and build it, it will fly (remember the B49 Flying wing?). Flyby out The U.S. Congress is the best governing body that BIG money can buy. :cry:
GGTharos Posted July 21, 2009 Posted July 21, 2009 Forward swept wing fighter planes are reasonably useless on the other hand. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
RedTiger Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 (edited) My thought as well :) It can all be expressed in a simple equation!! + = :) Edited July 22, 2009 by RedTiger
RedTiger Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 Also uncanny how those forward swept wing ones resemble this: http://www.lockonfiles.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownloaddetails&cid=245&lid=645&ttitle=WF-33_Levathian_Model_1.02#dldetails
gigz-on Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 In most cases I agree but what about Berkut? It doesn't look normal (compared to typical planes, I mean example wings shape and their direction), but supposedly it flies very well (dunno it is true or not) Not very, but well;) My YouTube Channel:
Flyby Posted July 22, 2009 Author Posted July 22, 2009 say what? Forward swept wing fighter planes are reasonably useless on the other hand. can you tell me (us) why you think so? I don't know a lot about the design pros and cons, except that I've read somewhere that forward-swept wings supposedly offer less drag, iirc. Flyby out The U.S. Congress is the best governing body that BIG money can buy. :cry:
Mugatu Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 mmm can see it from the rear like the JSF, only partial stealth :P and that's to pretty to be a Sukhoi :p x 2
GGTharos Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 Their main advantage is remaining un-stalled for very high degrees of AoA. On the other hand, they're probably not so great for supersonic flight. Since you can replicate good controllability at high AoA with TVC, may as well keep a standard, high-speed efficient wing and use TVC to get all the advantages. can you tell me (us) why you think so? I don't know a lot about the design pros and cons, except that I've read somewhere that forward-swept wings supposedly offer less drag, iirc. Flyby out [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Flyby Posted July 22, 2009 Author Posted July 22, 2009 Their main advantage is remaining un-stalled for very high degrees of AoA. On the other hand, they're probably not so great for supersonic flight. Since you can replicate good controllability at high AoA with TVC, may as well keep a standard, high-speed efficient wing and use TVC to get all the advantages. well...glad I asked. But why do you think this design is not so great for supersonic flight? over The U.S. Congress is the best governing body that BIG money can buy. :cry:
topol-m Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 (edited) mmm can see it from the rear like the JSF, only partial stealth :P and that's to pretty to be a Sukhoi :p x 2 Different people different tastes - i personaly think sukhois are the best looking fighters :music_whistling: So to me it doesn`t seem too pretty to be Sukhoi Their main advantage is remaining un-stalled for very high degrees of AoA. On the other hand, they're probably not so great for supersonic flight. Since you can replicate good controllability at high AoA with TVC, may as well keep a standard, high-speed efficient wing and use TVC to get all the advantages. But don`t those wings give him even bigger maneuverability when combined with TVC? Edited July 22, 2009 by topol-m [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
GGTharos Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 It's my rather primitive understanding that the wings must fit into the supersonic shock cone of the aircraft - but I may have that wrong. If that is the case, then the length of the wing is limited by the cone, otherwise you create extra drag. I think. However! There's a more reliable list of advantages and disadvantages: http://www.desktopaero.com/appliedaero/potential3d/fsw.html well...glad I asked. But why do you think this design is not so great for supersonic flight? over [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
GGTharos Posted July 22, 2009 Posted July 22, 2009 I think it doesn't give enough advantages to really justify having both. I could be wrong. But don`t those wings give him even bigger maneuverability when combined with TVC? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
ED Team Groove Posted July 22, 2009 ED Team Posted July 22, 2009 Around 1:15 in this video you can see the main disadvantage of forward swept wings: Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en
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