reported LOST EASTERN NAV AIDS

[ESAc_flankercobra]

It seems that most of the RSBN and PRMG in the entire eastern zone are missing

 

[Tarres]

RSBN are outside frequency range (770-1000 Mhz) and PRMG are wrongly coded with ILS/VOR frequencies instead of the 800-1000Mhz if I remember correctly.

So basically it´s a not functional NDB with the "type = BEACON_TYPE_RSBN;" but outside the frequency range and a ILS/VOR with "type" definition changed but outside frequency ranges.

I suppose it´s a joke... or a wrong file loaded.

Edited April 18 by Tarres

[ESAc_flankercobra]

10. Will there be RSBN beacons on the maps?
- Yes, East German airbases are already equipped with RSBN beacons.

 

 

Is it possible that the version of the map they have uploaded for download is an old version?

 

 

 

 

 

[gulredrel]

Yeah, also struggled with this. Did my first flight in L-39 and was not able to tune a RSBN station. Some channels are marked in the map in ME or F10, but this didn't help.

Also not all airport NDBs (far/near) are working. Couldn't get a signal in Peenemünde but Garz (Heringsdorf) was working ok.

[ESAc_flankercobra]

It is quite strange that they announced hours before that aid from the Eastern airports was present and then they did not exist on the map. I think they have confused the version when it comes to offering it to consumers.

[Tarres]

I´m looking at the beacons.lua and the RSBN are all wrongly coded, without frequencies or outside range frequencies. It´s like they are using the "fake 21 navigation" instead of the proper RSBN core DCS function. Same applies to PRMG that are wrongly coded.

Problem is that there is no "identification name" in the beacon definition so it´s difficult to know where the stations are.

I´m trying to make a quick test with @ESAc_flankercobra aid to see if it could be quickly solved.

[Volator]

54 minutes ago, ESAc_flankercobra said:

It is quite strange that they announced hours before that aid from the Eastern airports was present and then they did not exist on the map. I think they have confused the version when it comes to offering it to consumers.

... or they just squeezed them in last-minute before release after the many requests for era-correct eastern navaids in the forum and did not do it correctly, because it was a hot fix and they didn't have time to do it properly before release.

Edited April 18 by Volator

[ESAc_flankercobra]

hace 1 minuto, Volator dijo:

... or they just squeezed them in last-minute before release after the many requests in the forum and did not do it correctly, because it was a hot fix and they didn't have time to do it properly before release.

It could be, from what I'm reading there are problems with the TACAN and ILS too

[Tarres]

1 minute ago, Volator said:

... or they just squeezed them in last-minute before release after the many requests in the forum and did not do it correctly, because it was a hot fix and they didn't have time to do it properly before release.

This.

There are 20 RSBN stations and 6 PRMG (3 stations each one with a localizer and glideslope definition), ALL OF THEM WORNGLY CODED without frequencies.

 

[Tarres]

Tested a modified beacons.lua with @ESAc_flankercobra with the L39 and a perfect IFR flight with functional RSBN stations from the DCS Core.

[Hallsy]

Following this closely. When placing GDR squadrons, I was very surprised at the lack of PRMG coverage especially. Hopefully, it gets sorted out eventually. The map is fantastic so far.

[Tarres]

It’s easy to solve the problem for Ugra. I solved it in 15 minutes and without their tools, but only to see if it was possible to solve.

Remember that only the modules that use the RSBN/PRMG coded using the DCS Core Navaids (L39 and PRMG for the FC3 Soviet airplanes)are affected.

Edited April 18 by Tarres

[gulredrel]

Is there a list for L-39 channel and RSBN frequ. which I can use with the help of Caucasus beacon definition? Would like to add some stations for L-39 flights until an update is available.

[Tarres]

Tomorrow I will post the file with the changes if you are interested. It’s a very quick test, so there is a lot of room for improvements.

I don’t have the map so I can’t test all the changes.

Basically I use 8xx frequencies with the xx being the same number that I put in the channel defition.

With the real rsbn list that @ESAc_flankercobra posted I code first the channel and with that number I put the frequency.

Sorry for my english.

[Tarres]

@gulredrel. Here is the file. It´s a very quick test done in 15 minutes so it´s like a version 0.0001

Try Damgarten in the L-39. In the ME, the beacon list it´s updated.

I haven´t got the map so I can´t test the file on my own or make new versions very quickly.

beacons.lua

NOTE: IT¨S NOT IC COMPILANT OBVIOUSLY.

Edited April 19 by Tarres

[gulredrel]

2 hours ago, Tarres said:

@gulredrel. Here is the file. It´s a very quick test done in 15 minutes so it´s like a version 0.0001

Try Damgarten in the L-39. In the ME, the beacon list it´s updated.

I haven´t got the map so I can´t test the file on my own or make new versions very quickly.

NOTE: IT¨S NOT IC COMPILANT OBVIOUSLY.

Thanks, I'll give it a try. Not IC compliant is no problem. Only doing SP.

Edit: Thanks @Tarres works like a charm. Much appreciated.

Damgarten worked, tuned Laage right after takeoff:

Tuned Peenemünde:

Approaching Laage, RSBN station is to the right of RW10, perfect:

Compared the original beacons.lua and your example in notepad++. Should be not such a great deal for Ugra. Mostly missing callsigns and frequencies. It's just "Fleißarbeit", as we say in Germany  Beacons are already placed.

Edited April 19 by gulredrel
added images and description

[Tarres]

I could place the names but it’s difficult to do it without having the map. In a new version, I’ve deleted ILS and tacan placed in GDR airfields. Maybe tweaking the ils definition with prmg definition and adjusting a couple of datafields in the definition may give us prmg.

Ok: Wadajom is the radio callsing for Allstedt

Edited April 19 by Tarres

[gulredrel]

In the meantime I've edited the file and put the display names in for convenience:

I used this site https://www.mil-airfields.de/de-rpt/ddr-funkfeuer-rsbn-de.htm and google maps where I looked for the coordinates (positionGeo) from the beacons.lua to double check.

I also changed Zerbst frequency / channel to 17.

beacons.lua

SC is a strange one. There are two entries, 'airfield166_0' and 'airfield166_3' west of Fulda. GDR spies must have placed a RSBN station there!? 

 

[Tarres]

As you can see it’s fairly straightforward.

Yes, there are some strange definitions in the file.

Can you try to change the ils definition for damgarten for a PRMG?

Frequency range in the 900Mhz I think. Like the RSBN but with the PRMG loc/glide definitions.

Thanks!

And maybe we must leave more frequency separation between stations… RSBN uses a 800-1000 mhz  range.

[Tarres]

11 minutes ago, gulredrel said:

SC is a strange one. There are two entries, 'airfield166_0' and 'airfield166_3' west of Fulda. GDR spies must have placed a RSBN station there!? 

In a exchange for the TACAN/ILS in the GDR

There was a comic in Spain about a couple of spies… Mortadelo y Filemón. In German: Clever & Smart.

[gulredrel]

1 hour ago, Tarres said:

As you can see it’s fairly straightforward.

Yes, there are some strange definitions in the file.

Can you try to change the ils definition for damgarten for a PRMG?

Frequency range in the 900Mhz I think. Like the RSBN but with the PRMG loc/glide definitions.

Thanks!

And maybe we must leave more frequency separation between stations… RSBN uses a 800-1000 mhz  range.

Just did a quick test with Laage PRMG GS and LOC definitions and set them to 938MHz leaving the channel at 38 as it is in there. This didn't work.

In Caucasus beacons.lua the PRMG frequencies and channels are in 800MHz range like RSBN. I've no clue how the L-39 system works. Is it just looking for the channel regardless of the frequency?!? Maybe later there's some more time.

Currently thankful enough to have the RSBN working. Won't set fog and clouds to not see anything in the next time. Enjoying the map and have basic navigation aids for L-39 is currently sufficient.

[Tarres]

Yes. It’s 800Mhz. Sorry.

RSBN it’s like a TACAN station so you need a frequency and a channel.

Thanks again for your test.

I suspect that this file has been rushed into the “public version” due to the “eastern navaids affaire” because there are some errors in all the systems: ILS coded like VOR, duplicate beacons in the same airport definition, beacons without definition or frequencies…

[gulredrel]

1 hour ago, Tarres said:

“eastern navaids affaire”

Peenemünde outer and inner NDBs are also coded in the MHz range instead of kHz.

Garz ILS arrow is also pointing to one of the markers instead onto the runway. There are many nav aids to be revisited by Ugra. But we all know: EA is EA and we all know the risk of being the forerunners wanting to use it. But Syria evolved nicely so I'm confident this will be the case too with CW Germany.

[ESAc_flankercobra]

@Tarres, @gulredrel, thx for the beacon.lua; it´s great.

[gulredrel]

just for the sake of completeness. Setting PRMG LOC and GS to 838MHz for Laage works: