New Trim Type Option for DCS Helicopters

[Renko]

I think that any helicopter will benefit from having this new trim mode.
Polychop devs included in their Kiowa, and then in the Gazelle, a new trim option called "Fade In/Fade Out".
Which works just like the Instant Trim Option we have, but instead of instantly move after hitting the Trim it has a buffer time of a fraction of a second. That gives a noticeble more smooth action for the user, instead of the jump action that Instant trim provides right now.

Since its not an entirely new mode its should not take much dev time, and it will result in a great QoL improvement for the user.

Easy to test for the devs. Just install the Kiowa and select the Fade In/fade Out, and see how much of a difference that it makes on the user experience.


Here is the description of that mode from the manual of the Kiowa, in context with the othersnull

[Renko]

Just noticed today while trying the OH-6 mod, that even this great mod has the Instant Trim with a delay.
Here even the user can set the ms he wants with a slider.

Please ED, add this to the helicopters.
Its a great QoL for users and not hard on development side

Edited May 14 by Renko

[OhNoMyHookBroke]

Second this. Fade in/out trim is by far the best trim (at least in my opinion) for flying helicopters. All DCS helicopters should have fade in/out.

[Vakarian]

Back when I was on non-FFB base this has practically eliminated the twitchyness of the Instant trim and made me fly a lot more stable when trimming often. Instant is preferred to others as it doesn't lock you out of maneuvering until you center the cyclic, but the twitching on trim does make inexperienced people think they are doing something wrong and can introduce slight PIOs.

Having this Fade In/Out method is the best method anyone has done so far to ease out the trim transitions for non-FFB users and I'm willing to bet that's still a high majority of users as FFB bases still aren't really the cheap option. So yeah, long way for me to say that I'd really like this to be added, even if I won't have use for it

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

Yup, 5-star request right there

I have no use for this either, but it is indeed the best system for regular spring loaded setups!

[virgo47]

This is a no-brainer. Of course, we can argue whether it's "a new feature for a finished module", but that doesn't make it any less missing and a bit ridiculous that even mod has it and pro modules don't.

Edited yesterday at 11:58 AM by virgo47

[MAXsenna]

6 hours ago, Vakarian said:

Instant is preferred to others as it doesn't lock you out of maneuvering until you center the cyclic,

Concur! Pre-FFB, I couldn't wrap my head around the "centre position trim", while instant worked well for me. I have no idea how "fade in, fade out" works, and I never will. I'll support the wish in any case. 

Cheers! 

[virgo47]

3 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Concur! Pre-FFB, I couldn't wrap my head around the "centre position trim", while instant worked well for me. I have no idea how "fade in, fade out" works, and I never will. I'll support the wish in any case.

It's easy, I tried both, and I could probably manage instant+recenter - and it worked for me 9x% of cases - sometimes I happen to be in such a panic that I didn't properly reset/recenter one of the axes. In that case, the trim simply didn't work for that which lead to a confusing experience. Maybe it was a dead-zone matter as well (I have mostly 0 dead-zones).

So I'd not take this option away from people for whom it works, it's a logical option that works great for many.

Instant is somewhat great, but it causes crazy maneuvers for bigger channges. And that's where this fade-in/fade-out comes in (the name is probably most meaningful for musicians? ). It simply changes the trim from whatever position to the "center" (at that moment) over some time - during which I can counteract it by moving the joystick towards the centre - but without the need to totally reset/recenter it.

That's why it's great. Because Instant is like you snapped the stick suddenly - which may even not be good for some helos - but "recenter with delay" (or fade-in/fade-out) makes it smoothly and I can counteract/anticipate it.

[MAXsenna]

44 minutes ago, virgo47 said:

It's easy, I tried both, and I could probably manage instant+recenter - and it worked for me 9x% of cases - sometimes I happen to be in such a panic that I didn't properly reset/recenter one of the axes.

I'm sure I could've learned it. The hinderence was the panic thing I guess. So why bother when instant trim worked better for me, and I always fly with the trim pressed anyway.

46 minutes ago, virgo47 said:

So I'd not take this option away from people for whom it works, it's a logical option that works great for many.

The wish/requests specifies "new", so I'm confident that no one is asking anything to be removed. 

 

48 minutes ago, virgo47 said:

Because Instant is like you snapped the stick suddenly -

Never for me, but I sort of knew where my last position was, so I would instantly move it there while keeping the button pressed. I guess we all have our different ways. And I'll never fly without FFB ever again. Or at least use a spring less one. 

Tips for new users. Get a cheeeaaap second hand joystick. Remove the spring, and wrap a couple of rubber bands from each side over the base of the stick, and observe of much better you suddenly became at flying helicopters. 

Cheers!