My experience with RTX 5060 Ti 16GB

[virgo47]

In Europe, we've been lucky to have some reasonable prices for cards like Palit and Gainward, so I snatched one. To summarize my 1440p VSYNC 60fps gaming experience, I made this video:

tl;dr: You can fly in the very nice DCS 1440p, with most detail sliders at the top. I'm very satisfied.

[LucShep]

Many thanks for the review, well done.  This sort of effort from DCS users is very appreciated.

 In the end, I can't help but still feel that "There are no really bad GPUs now, just really, really bad prices". 

An RX 7700XT 12GB from AMD gives the same performance, and it's been around since.... August 25th, 2023 (almost two years ago!).... for 450€.
That was somewhat criticized back then (as was also the RTX 4060Ti) and so it appeared with the ocasional discount or rebate to bring that further down.

Why then would this RTX5060Ti 16GB be worthy then? 
It isn't.

There is no 5060Ti 16GB from Palit or Gainward below 525€ from what I can see (and yes, those are the cheapest). And yes, I know that corresponds to MSRP + VAT in Europe.
The thing is, this a product so cutdown in specs (forget the VRAM, raw power will be long gone before 2/3 of it are used) that, for the current day/year, as a brand new product, it should have never had a price tag above 400€.

Come on guys, I understand the despair from people willing to upgrade.
GPU prices have been really bad, for way too long. 
But just get a used GPU with similar performance (or better, for less money!) if you have to. 
DO NOT BUY these overpriced products.   
It's the only way you have to send a message to those in charge, to stop the crappola they're pulling on everybody.
 

Edited Wednesday at 12:12 AM by LucShep

[virgo47]

6 hours ago, LucShep said:

An RX 7700XT 12GB from AMD gives the same performance, and it's been around since.... August 25th, 2023 (almost two years ago!).... for 450€.
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GPU prices have been really bad, for way too long. 
But just get a used GPU with similar performance (or better, for less money!) if you have to. 
DO NOT BUY these overpriced products.   
It's the only way you have to send a message to those in charge, to stop the crappola they're pulling on everybody.

I understand this. I see the cheapest new RX 7700 XT here for 427€ (XFX), or 436 (Gigabyte) - available. But the prices got here only recently - month ago the cheapest one was 450.

I'd never buy non-baseline 5060 Ti, it doesn't make sense. And yes, 460 was a borderline price for me as well. I could have waited, but I didn't like DCS visuals in 1440p with 3060. I also upgraded kids computer in the process from RX570, so it's like two upgrades for the price of one.

I'm not really proud of buying nVidia product for in these times, I know I have sinned . But if I can choose NOW, assuming I want to buy something in this level, I'd rather have the newest 5060 Ti for 460 than RX 7700 XT for 430. More memory, sucks less power, newest DLSS (that really is improved, even in DCS, not that it is perfect).

It could be interesting to see how RX 7700 XT performs with similar settings and FSR. I have no idea whether DCS is strong for AMD or nVidia or the same.

And the prices in the current climate... I don't know if they're going down anytime soon. If they do, I'll wish it for all the other potential buyers, I don't think they will fall so much I'll regret this purchase.

That said, if you can hold - hold, of course.

[LucShep]

Understandable, sure.
I think that Intel, AMD, and especially Nvidia, do fully understand your point of view (lower power consumption, DLSS, etc).
But thats also what they're exploiting.
And that's why I emphasize that people should fight the temptation of buying a brand new GPU of this and other segments, as much as it may hurt.

If everybody stopped buying new GPUs out of despair for three or four months, it would change the whole market picture.
With shelves pilling up with overpriced items, now ignored, the message would be strong enough to force lower prices.  But, alas...

I gave the example of the equivalent RX 7700XT 12GB, which does perform similar at native resolution (upscaling is a different story, FSR3 is not as good as DLSS 3/4).
But it's not just this one that is to be focused on. The RX 7800XT 16GB was launched in September 2023, sells for similar price of the RTX 5060Ti 16GB, and it is a better GPU.

FSR4 seems as good as DLSS 3/4 now (no idea about custom tweaks though).
The problem is how long AMD will take to bring it to previous GPU generations (6000 and 7000 series). My guess is someone will get a hack going before that.  

Also note when I'm talking about used (second hand) cards here. For example:

- RX 6800XT 16GB
- RX 6900XT 16GB
- RTX 3080 12GB

All of these make better sense, when they can be found at or below the price of a brand new RX 7700XT 12GB or RTX 5060Ti 16GB, and perform better.
Not to mention the RX 6700XT 12GB, which is still a completely valid 1080P solution (even for DCS), with used units going for nearly half(!) the price of a brand new RTX 5060Ti.

I know people feel uncomfortable buying used GPUs, but the reality is there are still HEAPS of them at reach, perfectly usable for years ahead, regardless of warranties ending.
Places like CEX and Cash Converters (etc) have them, and there are small business PC hardware stores on EBAY selling them too.
These can be a solution if you don't like buying directly from a private seller, becoming afraid (which you shouldn't be!) of being scammed or buying a lemon.

Edited Wednesday at 11:34 AM by LucShep

[BitMaster]

FWIW,

availability might become a factor across the board, who knows what comes.

For that reason, clients I have feel the need to upgrade HW sooner than planned (Win10 to Win11; SRV2016 to 2022 ) since no one knows if you still can buy all you need in 3 months, next month, a week from now. This is a bad roller coaster ride we are all in, no matter what IT-HW you currently need.

"Lieber den Spatz in der Hand als die Taube auf dem Dach"  may show it's wisdom

[Dogmanbird]

where I am in Aus, the 3080/3090 and then 4090 were at their lowest price about 6 - 10 months after release (if i recall correctly) 

the cheaper versions of 5090 (Palit) has come down about $50 - $80 so far.  Maybe later in the year things might get cheaper again.