Steer point issue after auto start F16 w/ Video

[LHP]

so ive finally got round to filming again and so today i got stuck in but after hours of messing around i found out that things werent quite as they seem

in the mission im on the apron, cold start at groom lake, i go through the normal auto start (L Win + Home) let everything complete, then i taxi out and take off, heading to steer point 1, except steer point one never came, and also on my HSD i was flying backwards down the steer point line! as in a was facing forward but flying backwards down the steer point line. so i thought i'd test the autopilot, stp and alt mode and it just randomly veers off 

so after many retests ive made a video of whats going on

 

im not sure whats happend ive done heaps of these where i just put down points, start, take off and fly with no issues, all of a sudden its messed up
 

not sure if its a bug or if im doing something wrong,

 

anyway heres the video, hope you can help
 

 

[PawlaczGMD]

Looks like INS didn't finish aligning, check what the switch position actually was. ALIGN should flash, then you move the switch to NAV. Maybe the autostart script is broken or you have some bindings messing with it. 

Does this happen to you if you start up manually?

Also a track is better than a video, we don't see any switch positions here so hard to tell you more.

Edited June 29 by PawlaczGMD

[LHP]

it has to be something in the autostart, 

i've never manually started the jet, cause i'm lazy haha

i have however 100's of times got in and autostarted with no issues

in this video i did the same as i allways do. 

get in

L Win + Home to start

wait for "auto start complete"

taxi out

take off

 

there are no special settings, no bindings, no different switch positions, no anythting, complete vanillia, load the map, autostart and go,

ill see what i can do about a track for you

[MAXsenna]

Like @PawlaczGMD writes it has to be the INS. It won't be the first time the autostart gets wacky in a module after the update. Starting the F-16 "manually" is one of the easiest things to do/learn.

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[LHP]

Just changed it to hot start, no problems at all. it's 100% the auto start

[Furiz]

Hey, user error I'm afraid.

 

You have to wait till ALIGN on the HUD and RDY on the ICP start flashing, at that time aircraft alignment is ready. As far as I know Auto Start is using Normal Alignment which takes longer than Stored Alignment, you just needed to wait till ALIGN and RDY is flashing.

[LHP]

it must have been changed in a recent update then because i have done this 100s of times with no issue

i did quick run through where i watched the alignment knob and yes you are correct, it does use the normal alignment

perhaps it used to use the stored alignment? either way, maybe ED could look at making the autostart use the stored alignment, or put it back to how it was before to whatever it was.

im not autostarting the viper to sit there for ages waiting for the alignment, because if its not ready to go the autostart is not complete, it should only say that if it is ready, not autostart mostly complete

 

but yes you are correct, wait for align to flash and then set it to nav, works, i still think it needs changing tho

[MAXsenna]

@LHP How did it work before? Did it switch to NAV automatically after the alignment was ready? Normal takes eight minutes and stored four. Even with stored you need to wait for the alignment

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[Furiz]

You don't have to put INS knob to NAV after ALIGN starts blinking, as soon as the INS senses aircraft movement it will set to NAV automatically. If you watch the video you will see that's exactly what happened when it started rolling.

Edited June 29 by Furiz

[MAXsenna]

You don't have to put INS knob to NAV after ALIGN starts blinking, as soon as the INS senses aircraft movement it will set to NAV automatically. If you watch the video you will see that's exactly what happened when it started rolling.

Didn't know that thanks. How's that possible?

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[Furiz]

6 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

Didn't know that thanks. How's that possible?

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But if you didn't switch to NAV and it is still in NORM when aircraft stops moving it should resume alignment.

Auto NAV will happen as long as there is at least degraded alignment acquired.

You still have to switch to NAV prior to take off tho, which he didn't do 

 

Page 169 F-16C Manual.

 

[MAXsenna]

But if you didn't switch to NAV and it is still in NORM when aircraft stops moving it should resume alignment.
Auto NAV will happen as long as there is at least degraded alignment acquired.
You still have to switch to NAV prior to take off tho, which he didn't do 
 
Page 169 F-16C Manual.
 

I mean. Does the switch turn by itself in the real aircraft, or did you mean that it is an autostart thing? I have never done an autostart in any module. That's why I'm asking.

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[Furiz]

26 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

I mean. Does the switch turn by itself in the real aircraft, or did you mean that it is an autostart thing? I have never done an autostart in any module. That's why I'm asking.

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Ahh, no the switch doesn't move by it self, the INS switches to NAV digitally when aircraft is moving regardless of the switch position. That's why INS knob has to be set to NAV prior to take off.

It is not an auto start thing, it is like that in real aircraft.

[MAXsenna]

Ahh, no the switch doesn't move by it self, the INS switches to NAV digitally when aircraft is moving regardless of the switch position. That's why INS knob has to be set to NAV prior to take off.
It is not an auto start thing, it is like that in real aircraft.

Haha! Thanks, I got confused. That's why I had to ask.

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[PawlaczGMD]

I mean this should work, but it also wouldn't kill you to learn the basics of starting up the a/c yourself. Switch to stored alignment during the process, then to nav once the ICP symbol flashes and you're good.

[LHP]

20 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

@LHP How did it work before? Did it switch to NAV automatically after the alignment was ready? Normal takes eight minutes and stored four. Even with stored you need to wait for the alignment

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im not sure what it used to do but i believe it did the stored alignment, i have a video of it here, as you can see i just autostart it and go and everything works fine