Does DLSS make spotting other aircraft near impossible?

[RyanR]

I splurged for the new rig. Big monitor. 5080. 150+fps. DCS is absolutely beautiful with all the settings maxed. Only problem: I can't see the bandits at all. Two miles away? Nothing .The bandits just get swallowed by the antialiasing. They're just a greasy streak until they disappear into the nothing.

I've tried forcing the K-preset. What else is there to do? I'm back to where I was with my old computer. 

Thanks.

-Ryan

Edited yesterday at 02:37 AM by RyanR

[RyanR]

If I pause DCS, I see a black dot. Unpaused,this MiG-21 is a translucent greasy stain. 

-Ryan

[RyanR]

Close ups....

 

[SharpeXB]

Turn off DLSS and use MSAA instead of DLAA. You shouldn’t need DLSS with a 5080

[speed-of-heat]

Force spotting dots to two pixels...

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

1 hour ago, speed-of-heat said:

Force spotting dots to two pixels...

This.

Preset J is superior to K when it comes to image quality, at the cost of some ghosting (depending on the background of the specific scene), but I don’t know it that counts for spotting dots too as I don’t use K.

I have been using 2 pixels instead of Auto since the changes to spotting dots were implemented for that exact reason: to work with DLSS.

[MoleUK]

J and K both harm the spotting dots considerably with DLSS enabled. Particularly as those dots fly in front of cloud cover, as DLSS doesn't like that contrast at all.

With just DLAA enabled, the impact isn't anywhere near as severe.

Rolling back to the older non-transformer presets (C or F iirc) will also help the dots appear a bit better, but with obvious visual tradeoffs.

Ultimately ED should give us the option to disable DLSS/DLAA from running on the spotting dots altogether, in the same way they have the MFD's. That's the only real 'fix' for this one.

In the meantime, try settling for just DLAA. If that's still too negative an impact, go back to MSAA.

Edited 22 hours ago by MoleUK

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

13 minutes ago, MoleUK said:

Ultimately ED should give us the option to disable DLSS/DLAA from running on the spotting dots altogether, in the same way they have the MFD's. That's the only real 'fix' for this one.

That definitely seems to be the way forward. At least ED have indicated they are not done yet with spotting dots so there’s hope for future improvement.

[TheBiggerBass]

I just don't understand why anti aliasing should be necessary if the screen resolution is high enough to not see a single pixel. Anti aliasing was introduced at a time when screen resolutions were much lower than today and single pixels were large enough to cause a jagging effect for non perpendicular lines. Nowadys I simply switch of anti aliasing completely for the sake of sharper contours and higher fps rates.

[MoleUK]

9 minutes ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

That definitely seems to be the way forward. At least ED have indicated they are not done yet with spotting dots so there’s hope for future improvement.

Yep just gotta hope it arrives in a somewhat timely manner.

6 minutes ago, TheBiggerBass said:

I just don't understand why anti aliasing should be necessary if the screen resolution is high enough to not see a single pixel. Anti aliasing was introduced at a time when screen resolutions were much lower than today and single pixels were large enough to cause a jagging effect for non perpendicular lines. Nowadys I simply switch of anti aliasing completely for the sake of sharper contours and higher fps rates.

Some of the assets in DCS (trees in particular were really bad for shimmer) just really benefit from anti-aliasing. It's particlarly bad in VR, where the jaggies are extremely in your face and you have to pump the resolution to absurd numbers to get past it. Or you just enable DLAA and take the tradeoffs.

It doesn't help that MSAA has never worked particularly well in DCS in my experience either, some have said it's due to the switch they made from forward rendering to deferred.

Edited 22 hours ago by MoleUK

[FriedrichNix]

I fly VR and use MSAA 4x. I'd recommend MSAA nearly always over DLSS. Only when I do not need to be spotting a plane and maybe need additional FPS, I have a preset with DLSS. In all cases where you need to be spotting anything, MSAA is superior to DLSS in my opinion.

...and spotting dots to 2px.

Edited 21 hours ago by FriedrichNix

[SharpeXB]

2 hours ago, TheBiggerBass said:

I just don't understand why anti aliasing should be necessary if the screen resolution is high enough to not see a single pixel.

True but that would require a very high res screen ie Apple “retina” level. Or a very small or far away display. At normal sizes and viewing distances even a 4K screen needs AA to remove jaggies. Most gamers use 1080p and 1440p. Not sure why this requires explaining as it’s all fairly obvious. 

2 hours ago, TheBiggerBass said:

Nowadys I simply switch of anti aliasing completely for the sake of sharper contours and higher fps rates.

Suit yourself but to me AA Off looks like hot garbage.

Edited 20 hours ago by SharpeXB

[TheBiggerBass]

Well, I run DCS on a 57" ultra wide screen 32:9 monitor at 5120x1440 px (RTX4070TiS) resolution and >75fps flying over CW Germany Berlin with lots of details and no visible stuttering. The scenery and cockpit looks great with anti aliasing off. 

[RyanR]

Thanks for the help, All!

Now I just need to remember all  the places I force Preset K.  There's the autoexec.... nVidia Profile Inspector.... and nVidia itself.

I'll report back! 

-Ryan

[RyanR]

OK. I ran a repair on DCS, and made sure I didn't have any old nVidia DLL's swapping around or mods happening. Then, I got rid of forcing Preset K, and let everything run the "default". Spotting dots are back to 2pixels. Things are much improved. I think. As everyone said... there are now other artifacts happening.

Thanks!

-Ryan

[RyanR]

I take it back. Things are still hopeless. At best, other aircraft are translucent.

-Ryan