Pretty Big News for the Future

[nunsuch]

No... I know about the Rafale M I was probably just mistaken. The Mig-29K is going to be great I agree is it going to be like the Indian one and if so are they going to put in the Gorshkov? Will it be the current build with advanced Zhuk M RADAR or as is possible with BARs.

 

I like the F/A-18(I am Canadian) better than the F-16 for many reasons and I like the idea of Carrier ops but only Russian carriers sail in the black sea so why bother with other carriers untill we get more areas.

 

I really like the Mirage 2000C though and I think it deserves to be in a sim more than the others because of neglect if nothing els. I really like the early Mirage 2000C's cockpit it is so streight forward and spartan. I also really like the Super-530D/F and the Magic-2 as they are very unique(the 530s anyway) weapons and they just don't fit on the other fighters.

 

My personal priorities in what I want to see added would be:

1)Mig-31B

2)Mirage 2000C

3)F/A-18A/C CF-18

4)F-14A/B

 

...and for helicopters.

1)Mi-24(the antitank one "D" maybe "E" perhaps I have forgotten)

2)AH-1(one of the supercobras from the '80's pre "W")

 

Is that a strange set of priorities?

[Olgerd]

Mirage 2000 is high on my list too but whatever ED does it will probably kick ass.

 

Give us flight manual and weapons delivery manual at least. There is one of the major problems with such planes as Mirage-2000. :)

[Olgerd]

Even more... all new cockpits will be implemented in full-3D and will be clickable. The level of "clickability" depends on info avaliable on particular aircraft system. Our workload will increase as well. :)

[Skywall23]

Even more... all new cockpits will be implemented in full-3D and will be clickable. The level of "clickability" depends on info avaliable on particular aircraft system. Our workload will increase as well. :)

 

3D cockpits? hmmm...that rules! :D

[sumoscouse]

Future Planes

 

I would dearly love to be able to Fly one of the greatest RAF planes of modern times - the Tornado..Class Aircraft

[MBot]

Work has already been done on the F/A-18...

 

This isn't the first time I read this, but I haven't actualy seen an official word about it. I think the community is interpreting a bit too much into the F/A-18 3d model.

 

 

One thing that realy strikes me is that for many people the horizone doesn't goes beyond F-16's and F/A-18's.

If it realy has to be a multirole fighter from the USA, why not the F-15E or the AV-8B+ ( AMRAAM capable, operational within the Marines, the Spanish Navy and the Italian Navy ) ? And what about the F-14, some time ago perhaps the most well known fighter in the world ( Top Gun... ). Now it gets hardly mentioned at all.

And if we be heretic and think about a non US fighters. Whats about the Mirage 2000C/D, the Mirage F.1, the Gripen or the Tornado ?

 

There are so many fresh possibilitys. Yet the world seems to end for most after the Hornet and the Falcon, two planes of wich we already have seen dozens of flightsims ( including high quality ).

 

 

Give us flight manual and weapons delivery manual at least. There is one of the major problems with such planes as Mirage-2000

 

Why don't you contact the folks over at check six. I bet they will dig out tons of material for you!

[Olgerd]

Why don't you contact the folks over at check six. I bet they will dig out tons of material for you!

 

Yes we know of course. I personally contacted with some people, and we have betatesters from C6. Right now anybody could not help us with such manuals. We need to ask more I think. ;)

There is another problem. Original documents are in French I think. I should be translated to English or Russian.

[MBot]

Yes we know of course. I personally contacted with some people, and we have betatesters from C6. Right now anybody could not help us with such manuals. There is another problem. Original documents are in French I think. I should be translated to English or Russian.

 

Ah thats bad. I had tought our french friends are swimming in Dassault reference material. Let's hope some flight manuals will surface.

 

I never realy tought that reference material is such a limited factor for the selection of a flyable plane. Of course I exptected that to get material for planes like the Rafael, EF2000 or F-22 is almost impossible. But I tought that that references for the "older" planes are more or less available.

Is lack of references a problem especially with Dassault planes or does that also effect others ?

And are references better available for the F-16 and the F/A-18 ( and if yes, why ? ) ?

[Olgerd]

Ah thats bad. I had tought our french friends are swimming in Dassault reference material. Let's hope some flight manuals will surface.

 

I never realy tought that reference material is such a limited factor for the selection of a flyable plane. Of course I exptected that to get material for planes like the Rafael, EF2000 or F-22 is almost impossible. But I tought that that references for the "older" planes are more or less available.

Is lack of references a problem especially with Dassault planes or does that also effect others ?

And are references better available for the F-16 and the F/A-18 ( and if yes, why ? ) ?

 

Generally we have many info for Russian and USA (harder to obtain but possible) planes. Many thanks to our friends and betatesters. And they still to help us there.

Documents for French and Great Britain planes are still very hard to get. I know only one place when it is possible to bye flight manual for Mirage III.

Practically now we have all we need to make F-16 (of course more documents/videos/sounds are very welcome). We are expecting big problems with sound sources only.

For F-18 - TAC manual series still needed. Also many problems with sounds.

[MBot]

Generally we have many info for Russian and USA (harder to obtain but possible) planes. Many thanks to our friends and betatesters. And they still to help us there.

Documents for French and Great Britain planes are still very hard to get. I know only one place when it is possible to bye flight manual for Mirage III.

Practically now we have all we need to make F-16 (of course more documents/videos/sounds are very welcome). We are expecting big problems with sound sources only.

For F-18 - TAC manual series still needed. Also many problems with sounds.

 

Thanks for answering, it is very interesting to have a little glimpse behind the scene :) I wish you good luck with obtaining all references you need.

[Skywall23]

Generally we have many info for Russian and USA (harder to obtain but possible) planes. Many thanks to our friends and betatesters. And they still to help us there.

Documents for French and Great Britain planes are still very hard to get. I know only one place when it is possible to bye flight manual for Mirage III.

Practically now we have all we need to make F-16 (of course more documents/videos/sounds are very welcome). We are expecting big problems with sound sources only.

For F-18 - TAC manual series still needed. Also many problems with sounds.

 

What kind of sounds do you need? Engine sounds? Cockpit warnings?

[VapoR]

There are some flight manuals available here:

 

http://www.eflightmanuals.com/

 

I didn't dig through all of them, but it seems to be only US planes. Could be a help for you though.

[Olgerd]

There are some flight manuals available here:

 

http://www.eflightmanuals.com/

 

I didn't dig through all of them, but it seems to be only US planes. Could be a help for you though.

 

Thanks we knew about this site. :icon_wink

It is only one of places we evaluated.

[Olgerd]

What kind of sounds do you need? Engine sounds? Cockpit warnings?

 

Both! ;)

We have some cockpit warnings but not all. That we have from various videos/HUD tapes.

I will explan more. For F-16 we need:

1) Idle engine sounds from various aspect angles relative to the plane.

2) Start up/shoot down of enignes (JFS sounds). If possible from various aspects.

3) If possible egines sounds at various RPMs.

4) All above for various engine variants - PW-229 and GE-129 as well.

5) EPU running.

6) EPU start up/shoot down.

7) All above but from inside the cockpit with opened/closed canopy, with weared and not helmet.

8) cockpit warnings/audio signals heard from headset.

9) sounds for various ground vehicles which used for technical matenance of the aircraft.

[Pilotasso]

heheh Olgerd...you can use falcon 4 sounds...I think the original LOMAC version had some "borrowed" sounds from it already. Implementing the others wouldnt hurt. ;)

[MBot]

9) sounds for various ground vehicles which used for technical matenance of the aircraft.

 

:eek:

I am realy looking forward on ED's new level of realism.

 

Don't forget the sound of groundcrews arming your weapons, pulling "wheel shoes" or the sound of the cockpit panel vibrating in turbulences ;)

[Skywall23]

Both! ;)

We have some cockpit warnings but not all. That we have from various videos/HUD tapes.

I will explan more. For F-16 we need:

7) All above but from inside the cockpit with opened/closed canopy, with weared and not helmet.

9) sounds for various ground vehicles which used for technical matenance of the aircraft.

 

Olgerd, a bit off topic for the moment, but you mean that the Lock On sequel will get you the ability remove your helmet and the ground vehicles for the maintenance of the aircraft? Holy sh*t! :icon_jook :icon_excl

 

About the rest of the sounds... hmmm, I doubt I will ever get what you need by myself. Even if I managed to get those sounds, i would only be able to get some. Now...where to start? Ahh yes, time to go to a portuguese forum ask for that. :p

[Olgerd]

heheh Olgerd...you can use falcon 4 sounds...I think the original LOMAC version had some "borrowed" sounds from it already. Implementing the others wouldnt hurt. ;)

 

Do you mean the "new treat" sound? :) Yes we generated it trying to make something close to what we hear in Falcon. Actually later we obtaned three sources wich indicates that the real sound differs a bit from what we produced. We need to resample it.

The Falcon has great cockpit sounds (i think most of them are from real aircraft). It is better to use real world sources (as well as your own ideas) than to try to reproduce something from another sim.

[Olgerd]

Olgerd, a bit off topic for the moment, but you mean that the Lock On sequel will get you the ability remove your helmet and the ground vehicles maintenance of the aircraft? Holy sh*t! :icon_jook :icon_excl

 

About the rest of the sounds... hmmm, I doubt I will ever get what you need by myself. Even if I managed to get those sounds, i would only be able to get some. Now...where to start? Ahh yes, time to go to a portuguese forum ask for that. :p

 

About helmet... it is only thoughts now, not plans yet. Will see. The sounds in helmet are needed much. ;)

I really hope you will help there. Many thanks in advance man.

[experimental_pilot]

Hey how about an F-15E?

 

Also it would be cool to have training airplanes for the training missions. Imagine Tweets, Talons and Mig-AT's!!!

[Olgerd]

Hey how about an F-15E?

 

Also it would be cool to have training airplanes for the training missions. Imagine Tweets, Talons and Mig-AT's!!!

 

We think same, but all needs much time and... a technology for two-seaters.

[Chizh]

heheh Olgerd...you can use falcon 4 sounds...I think the original LOMAC version had some "borrowed" sounds from it already. Implementing the others wouldnt hurt. ;)

Actually we haven’t borrowed sounds from F4 we have taken idea.

When there was a question on sounds for RWR we certainly have recollected about F4. But to take any files from another's game is badly. Then our sound engineer has listened to sounds from F4 and synthesized very similar new sounds which nevertheless physically differ from originals.

[Chipwich]

adding my vote for hornet and mud hen.

[VMFA-Blaze]

This is a very interesting and informative thread.......

 

Personally I was hopeing that we could get some inside details like this for some time now......

 

I know that I had read a post some where regarding missing data from the FA/18....

 

So this confirms that post and you can't get much more official then this .....

 

It would IMHO is very beneficial to both the developers and the public to have a constant flow of information......

 

This will only add considerable detail to the developers data base and will certianly add more satisfied customers.......

 

I must say great job ED and thank you Olgerd and Chizh for posting some very important info on what most likey is your own time......

 

 

~S~

 

 

Blaze

[Pilotasso]

I agree that we shouldnt be too much ambitious about the new aircraft. the ones announced on the interview plus each of their AFM would make any LOCKON (perhaps V2?) game the VERY best jet pack simulation ever made. It would absolutely rock online. Performins AG and AA in one mission online is 1 of my dreams.