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Consider also getting a clue by watching "blue thunder" movie before going into the scenario of shooting down a civilian aircraft over an inhabited city. ;)

 

Dude, if it was a cessna heading to the white house not answering and not changing course in spite of warnings of a fighter what do you think will happen to it :huh:

 

 

i`ve seen it - stupid american missiles :lol: can`t hit right

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Dude, if it was a cessna heading to the white house not answering and not changing course in spite of warnings of a fighter what do you think will happen to it :huh:

 

Probably nothing untill the pilot landed. You cant just shoot trying to down a sessna flying low. And certainly the president has evacuation procedure in such events in order to avoid the necessity of sacrificing civilians to save him. Very unpopular :D

 

 

i`ve seen it - stupid american missiles :lol: can`t hit right

 

A sessnsa is like a piece of paper to any ordnace you fire at it. Your rounds would just go through it and hit a ramdom place in the red square, not to mention the burning debris ;)

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Afaik this thread isnt about Matthias Rust's chessna flight but about ASMs like Kh-15s.

 

So Kh-15S is a "fast death" to unprotected ships or how should we understand this Topol-M. Simple fact is that i dont believe you could hit a CVG or in particular a CV during wartime with a ASM missile.

 

Another thing is a lonely DD protecting some konvoy on the Atlantic, there is your chance to score a hit.

 

Again, let's stop to go to USSR vs NATO phantasies as this times are long gone. Let's talk about possible buyers of the Kh-15s and how they would deploy them. Right now you need a Tu-95, Tu-22 or Tu-160 for employment.

 

So how is a potential buyer for this weapon? Can it be modified to be used from land? Street of Hormuz, Taiwan Strait or Yellow Sea.

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Aren't the countries who could use this weapons either rolling indigenous solutions, using old solution, or working with Russia to create weapons like Brahmos etc?

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Again, let's stop to go to USSR vs NATO phantasies as this times are long gone. Let's talk about possible buyers of the Kh-15s and how they would deploy them. Right now you need a Tu-95, Tu-22 or Tu-160 for employment.

 

So how is a potential buyer for this weapon? Can it be modified to be used from land? Street of Hormuz, Taiwan Strait or Yellow Sea.

 

I said i`m not talking about Russia vs NATO even less about USSR vs NATO scenarios. The world is bigger than Moscow and Washington. There are dozens of countries buying russian weaponry. Secondly i am mainly interested, as i already said, in the capabilities of modern air defence systems to deal with this missile (Kh-15) and similar treaths.

Third - in my first post of this thread or in the title i never said "fast death to US ships" yet the discussion of which US air defence systems (SM-3, SM-6, PAC-3, etc.) are more suitable for countering such types of weapons is an informative one and i don`t see why should someone go offended by it. ;)

About the carrier. There are statements that suggest some redesignment of the missile to make possible launches from su-34/35 aircraft. From these to su-30 it`s just one step. :) It might turn out though that this will never become reality and new missiles will take that role. You never know. This missile certainly has untypical characteristics that may or may not be used in future designs and knowing what the enemy has and what it`s capable of is allways a good thing.

 

Aren't the countries who could use this weapons either rolling indigenous solutions, using old solution, or working with Russia to create weapons like Brahmos etc?

 

There are new missiles in development but not all countries have the potential (financial, engineering, etc.) of India or China to develop their own. Another question is if Kh-15S has the potential to be sold and produced in big quantity. We don`t have info of how many of these are in service if any at all. Yet the possibility of newly designed missiles with similar stats and behaviour shouldn`t be excluded.

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If you're going to launch from Su-34 or Su-27 and you are a 'poor' country, you may as well get Kh-31 ... against such a relatively 'defenseless' ship, it is far more economical :)

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If you're going to launch from Su-34 or Su-27 and you are a 'poor' country, you may as well get Kh-31 ... against such a relatively 'defenseless' ship, it is far more economical :)

 

Not necessarily "poor" - Venezuela for instance is not poor, but it`s not like it`s going to reach India in missile development any time soon. It`s easier for them to just buy what they need.

Kh-15S packs a bigger punch. And about the effectiveness... well i`m still betting it will have better chances of penetrating particular air defence systems.

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Who on earth is Venezula going to fight that can shoot down a Kh-31? ;)

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Who on earth is Venezula going to fight that can shoot down a Kh-31? ;)

 

and No one suspects the spanish Inquisition

 

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Which one would that be? ...

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I think somebody in here needs a reality-check.

 

Why do you exclude the possibility of countries with anti-ship capabilities to use them when defending from hostile naval vessels? :huh: I think that`s unreal.

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Posted (edited)

You missed my point, most probably on purpose.

 

Please continue with RT news glory about russian uber weapons.

 

I have to admit that your enthusiasm for taking PR data sheets of weapons for true is entertaining and often makes my day after a long stressful day.

 

Rep inbound!

 

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Aha ok. Just more false news: "Experts estimate that India could purchase up to 1,000 BrahMos missiles for its armed forces in the next decade, and export 2,000 to other countries during the same period." Lets hope these countries are not of the group of the "brave". Just to add that this missile is considered one of the most advanced anti-ship missile today with very big chances of penetrating various modern defence systems. And just by accident its development is based on P-800 - russian "uber" :) weapon. One more thing on September 29 2008 Russia and India agreed on development of Mach 5 version of the missile (BrahMos-2) which will be able to counter even more advanced defence systems and would be by far more capable than Kh-15S.

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Having 1000 of them means you can sink 1000 enemy ships!

 

Look here, source www.brahmos.com

 

The missile has flight range of up to 290-km with supersonic speed all through the flight, leading to shorter flight time, consequently ensuring lower dispersion of targets, quicker engagement time and non-interception by any known weapon system in the world.

 

Why do the need Brahmos 2 if you even can't intercept Brahmos?

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Be sure i`ve seen this info. And i didn`t post it. Cause i`m interested in what in reality this missile is capable of. Yet it was you who posted it ;) BTW it isn`t much different that US saying their aircraft are invisible to radars - the truth is not that simple.

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I posted it because you missed this very important detail of this marvelous piece of modern ASM!

 

Which "US" is saying their aircraft is invisible to radars? They even say F-22 is not invisible to radars in most of the aspects and certainly not invisible in the vincinity of powerful radars.

 

They say F-35 will be cheap, but thats OT.

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