sabreman Posted October 16 Posted October 16 (edited) Good Afternoon, Like the title says, my game crashes at this step regardless of what aircraft, mission, server, etc I'm using. I'm able to get into the game and use the mission editor, but trying to actually start anything results in this outcome. Attached is my crash log. This is on a brand-new (clean formatted) and fully updated windows 11 install with a brand new DCS install. The only module I have currently enabled outside of the default free ones, is the hornet. I have ran memtest and verified that my RAM is fully functional. I'm on the Latest BIOS drivers and NVIDIA drivers. Page file is system manged. Both the Saved Games, and the main DCS folders are exceptions in windows defender. This computer with the same hardware, used to work flawlessly a few months back. Please let me know if you need more information. Edit: I've now confirmed this is a hardware issue. See page 2 for more details. dcs.log-20251016-205211.zip Edited yesterday at 02:45 AM by sabreman
Rudel_chw Posted October 16 Posted October 16 Looks like an authorization issue, check that your computer date, time and time zone are correct, and that you are using the correct dcs account password. For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
sabreman Posted October 16 Author Posted October 16 I've done that, and have the same result. Attached is the new crash log. dcs.log-20251016-215945.zip
Rudel_chw Posted October 16 Posted October 16 50 minutes ago, sabreman said: I've done that, and have the same result. Attached is the new crash log. not the same result, the authorization error is gone and there is a new error: EDCORE (15212): # C0000005 ACCESS_VIOLATION at 00007ff837d8eff3 00:00000000 your windows has a very small swapfile, try your increase it to at least 32 GB, here is a guide if needed: https://www.windows-tweaks.info/en/guide/set-swap-file-in-windows-10-11/ For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
sleighzy Posted October 17 Posted October 17 (edited) Error is the same as the one in the first log you provided: 2025-10-16 21:59:45.510 INFO EDCORE (15212): DCS/2.9.20.15384 (x86_64; MT; Windows NT 10.0.26200) 2025-10-16 21:59:45.511 INFO EDCORE (15212): C:\Games\DCS World\bin\edterrain4.dll 2025-10-16 21:59:45.512 INFO EDCORE (15212): # C0000005 ACCESS_VIOLATION at 00007ff837d8eff3 00:00000000 2025-10-16 21:59:45.513 INFO EDCORE (15212): SymInit: Symbol-SearchPath: 'C:\Games\DCS World\bin;', symOptions: 532, UserName: 'YOOB' 2025-10-16 21:59:45.516 INFO EDCORE (15212): OS-Version: 10.0.26200 () 0x100-0x1 2025-10-16 21:59:45.517 INFO EDCORE (15212): 0x00000000002deff3 (edterrain4): assets::lLinked::save + 0xEE53 2025-10-16 21:59:45.518 INFO EDCORE (15212): 0x00000000002d564b (edterrain4): assets::lLinked::save + 0x54AB 2025-10-16 21:59:45.519 INFO EDCORE (15212): 0x0000000000276e86 (edterrain4): landscape5::Surface5File::verticalIntersection + 0x6DD6 2025-10-16 21:59:45.519 INFO EDCORE (15212): 0x0000000000274844 (edterrain4): landscape5::Surface5File::verticalIntersection + 0x4794 2025-10-16 21:59:45.519 INFO EDCORE (15212): 0x000000000027106a (edterrain4): landscape5::Surface5File::verticalIntersection + 0xFBA 2025-10-16 21:59:45.520 INFO EDCORE (15212): 0x00000000002710a1 (edterrain4): landscape5::Surface5File::verticalIntersection + 0xFF1 2025-10-16 21:59:45.521 WARNING LOG (15180): 6 duplicate message(s) skipped. 2025-10-16 21:59:45.521 INFO EDCORE (15212): 0x0000000000275b07 (edterrain4): landscape5::Surface5File::verticalIntersection + 0x5A57 2025-10-16 21:59:45.521 INFO EDCORE (15212): 0x00000000002729c3 (edterrain4): landscape5::Surface5File::verticalIntersection + 0x2913 2025-10-16 21:59:45.522 INFO EDCORE (15212): 0x0000000000277f9f (edterrain4): landscape5::Surface5File::querySceneObjectsTris + 0x87F 2025-10-16 21:59:45.522 INFO EDCORE (15212): 0x00000000002716c9 (edterrain4): landscape5::Surface5File::verticalIntersection + 0x1619 2025-10-16 21:59:45.522 INFO EDCORE (15212): 0x000000000027758d (edterrain4): landscape5::Surface5File::queryRuntimeSceneObjects + 0x10D 2025-10-16 21:59:45.523 INFO EDCORE (15212): 0x00000000000e4f18 (edterrainGraphics41): createInstancerRenderable + 0x353A8 2025-10-16 21:59:45.523 INFO EDCORE (15212): 0x00000000000e4291 (edterrainGraphics41): createInstancerRenderable + 0x34721 2025-10-16 21:59:45.523 INFO EDCORE (15212): 0x0000000000034959 (edCore): ed::SyncTaskQueue::push_task + 0x489 2025-10-16 21:59:45.524 INFO EDCORE (15212): 0x00000000000493d6 (edCore): ed::SyncTaskQueue::push_task + 0x14F06 2025-10-16 21:59:45.524 INFO EDCORE (15212): 0x00000000000331e1 (edCore): ed::thread::_get_current_thread_id + 0x71 2025-10-16 21:59:45.525 INFO EDCORE (15212): 0x00000000000037b0 (ucrtbase): wcsrchr + 0x150 2025-10-16 21:59:45.527 INFO EDCORE (15212): 0x000000000002e8d7 (KERNEL32): BaseThreadInitThunk + 0x17 2025-10-16 21:59:45.769 INFO EDCORE (15212): Minidump created. Your page file is fine, you have 64Gb RAM. Based on the DCS log analyzer, and yes I realise this is a new install but things can get corrupted, it has the following advice: Run a slow repair, including the option to remove files Delete Saved Games\DCS\fxo and metashaders2 and try again. Next, delete %LOCALAPPDATA%\TEMP\DCS and try again. Next, try renaming Saved Games\DCS to DCS.old and try again. Make sure to rename and not delete so you can get your bindings back from the Config\Input folder The DxDiag report also shows some issues: Windows Error Reporting (WER) Application Errors DCS.exe: c0000005 (edterrain4.dll) Memory Timing Issues Remove any overclocking (XMP) from your RAM. Try the above and then provide another log file. EDIT: I see you're on Windows 25H2. Was your previous install on this as well? Haven't seen any reports of issues with this as yet (there's a forum thread here with people stating theirs is fine so far), but something to be mindful if folk see similar issues / stack traces. Edited October 17 by sleighzy 1 AMD 7800x3D, 4080Super, 64Gb DDR5 RAM, 4Tb NVMe M.2, Quest 2
sabreman Posted October 17 Author Posted October 17 (edited) I have completed all of the above steps to no avail. XMP was not enabled. And yes, my previous install was also on this update. Attached is the most recent crash log. dcs.log-20251017-030541.zip Edited October 17 by sabreman
sabreman Posted Saturday at 05:29 PM Author Posted Saturday at 05:29 PM (edited) Any ideas? I've been unable to play DCS for a few weeks now because of this issue. Edit: Out of desperation I've un-installed the hornet and reset all my settings to the lowest possible, and the game loaded! I got like 4 frames of gameplay before it crashed again. Note, this was the first frogfoot instant action mission, which I've tried before. However, this is definitely progress and the new crash log is attached. Seems to be the same terrain engine error as before. I'll keep editing this post as i keep troubleshooting. dcs.log-20251018-174927.zip Edited Saturday at 05:53 PM by sabreman
rob10 Posted Saturday at 06:14 PM Posted Saturday at 06:14 PM Have you tried RENAMING your DCS Saved Games folder (re-install won't have touched it). You've got some weird errors showing up in it (even in the latest log) that could be causing issues.
sabreman Posted Saturday at 06:55 PM Author Posted Saturday at 06:55 PM I've reinstalled my whole OS friend, which included a full drive wipe, and yes I have ALSO tried renaming the folder. As a follow up to my last post, it seems that the crash is now somewhat random. The same mission now crashes on lodaing world assets or whatever. Seems like a race-condition of some kind.
corn322 Posted Saturday at 09:17 PM Posted Saturday at 09:17 PM On 10/16/2025 at 10:59 AM, sabreman said: I'm on the Latest BIOS drivers This computer with the same hardware, used to work flawlessly a few months back. Please let me know if you need more information Did you update BIOS before these issues started?
sabreman Posted Saturday at 09:24 PM Author Posted Saturday at 09:24 PM No. These issues started on my previous install with outdated BIOS drivers. I hadn't fired up DCS for like, 2-3 months and when I tried this whole shtick kicked off. I thought a complete wipe would solve it, but here we are. Quite the problem.
sabreman Posted Saturday at 10:42 PM Author Posted Saturday at 10:42 PM Just as a troubleshooting idea, and because I have literally no idea what else to try, I made a brand new DCS account and tried the game with it (and everything but the base free modules removed). Same outcome, no dice.
sleighzy Posted Sunday at 01:57 AM Posted Sunday at 01:57 AM (edited) Latest log contains the following during startup. You had a similar one around vc_options.lua in the first log. I'm looking through the others. 2025-10-18 17:48:00.843 ERROR EDCORE (Main): [C:\Users\YOOB\Saved Games\DCS\Config/Input/disabled.lua] CreateFile(REWRITE): The system cannot find the path specified. 2025-10-18 17:48:00.843 ERROR EDCORE (Main): Can't open file 'C:\Users\YOOB\Saved Games\DCS\Config/Input/disabled.lua' from real path fs. 2025-10-18 17:48:00.843 ERROR LuaGUI (Main): Cannot save disabled devices into file[C:\Users\YOOB\Saved Games\DCS\Config/Input/disabled.lua]! Error can't open "C:\Users\YOOB\Saved Games\DCS\Config/Input/disabled.lua" for 'w' 2025-10-18 17:48:32.516 ERROR EDCORE (Main): [C:\Users\YOOB\Saved Games\DCS\Config/Input/disabled.lua] CreateFile(REWRITE): The system cannot find the path specified. 2025-10-18 17:48:32.516 ERROR EDCORE (Main): Can't open file 'C:\Users\YOOB\Saved Games\DCS\Config/Input/disabled.lua' from real path fs. 2025-10-18 17:48:32.516 ERROR LuaGUI (Main): Cannot save disabled devices into file[C:\Users\YOOB\Saved Games\DCS\Config/Input/disabled.lua]! Error can't open "C:\Users\YOOB\Saved Games\DCS\Config/Input/disabled.lua" for 'w' 2025-10-18 17:49:02.539 ERROR EDCORE (Main): [C:\Users\YOOB\Saved Games\DCS\Config/Input/disabled.lua] CreateFile(REWRITE): The system cannot find the path specified. 2025-10-18 17:49:02.539 ERROR EDCORE (Main): Can't open file 'C:\Users\YOOB\Saved Games\DCS\Config/Input/disabled.lua' from real path fs. 2025-10-18 17:49:02.539 ERROR LuaGUI (Main): Cannot save disabled devices into file[C:\Users\YOOB\Saved Games\DCS\Config/Input/disabled.lua]! Error can't open "C:\Users\YOOB\Saved Games\DCS\Config/Input/disabled.lua" for 'w' Can you check if that file actually exists. It does for me so don't know if it's a permissions problem. You don't run DCS, and have never run DCS, as an administrator right? Never even ticked the box "Run as administrator" under the Compatibility tab of your properties on the shortcut or exe file in the bin folder? Edited Sunday at 02:05 AM by sleighzy 1 AMD 7800x3D, 4080Super, 64Gb DDR5 RAM, 4Tb NVMe M.2, Quest 2
sabreman Posted Sunday at 04:20 PM Author Posted Sunday at 04:20 PM I ran it once during this troubleshooting process as admin. I got into the game both before and after that, and have wiped the saved games folder many times. No, I did not have that file, though creating it did not have any effect.
BJ55 Posted Sunday at 04:36 PM Posted Sunday at 04:36 PM (edited) You own a 4090 but the DxDiag Notes say "There is a problem with AMD Radeon(TM) Graphics device. For more information, search for 'graphics device driver error code 43'", quite strange... edterrain4.dll crashing with memory access violation seems a driver related issue, try with disabling the iGPU (integrated graphics). Edited Sunday at 04:39 PM by BJ55 I7-12700F, 64GB DDR4 3200MHz, Asus Z670M, RX 9070 XT 2560x1440 60Hz, TIR 5, TM WH VPC base, TM rudder, Win10 Pro
sabreman Posted Sunday at 05:00 PM Author Posted Sunday at 05:00 PM Disabled it, but no dice still. Here's the newest crash log. dcs.log-20251019-165852.zip
BJ55 Posted Sunday at 05:37 PM Posted Sunday at 05:37 PM Have you disabled HAGS, Game Mode and Core Isolation? Maybe try with and older NV driver? (btw, latest W11 release is plenty of bugs, like every NV driver since 50 series release) I7-12700F, 64GB DDR4 3200MHz, Asus Z670M, RX 9070 XT 2560x1440 60Hz, TIR 5, TM WH VPC base, TM rudder, Win10 Pro
MAXsenna Posted Sunday at 07:38 PM Posted Sunday at 07:38 PM 2 hours ago, sabreman said: Disabled it, but no dice still. Here's the newest crash log. Pretty sure you have incorrect file access settings. You have excluded DCS in your anti-virus solution, right? Made a repair after you did this? is your Windows account member of local machine admins? Which Windows account did you use to install DCS? Log analyzer suggests this, which I believe you already did. Tricky one this one. Errors Your DCS has crashed The crash occurred inside edterrain4.dll. Try a !repair., Delete Saved Games\DCS\fxo and metashaders2 and try again., Next, delete %LOCALAPPDATA%\TEMP\DCS and try again., Next, try renaming Saved Games\DCS to DCS.old and try again
rob10 Posted Sunday at 08:05 PM Posted Sunday at 08:05 PM It really looks like you have either AV interfering or possibly a drive failing. There are a number of files reported either not opening (or in last log, corrupted). Some of what you're seeing is "normal" background issues in DCS logs, but there are a number of ones that aren't normally there. 1
MAXsenna Posted Sunday at 08:10 PM Posted Sunday at 08:10 PM @sabreman Could you take a screenshot of your Anti-Virus exclusions? Silly as it sounds, someone yesterday told a user in a similar thread they should exclude DCS in the Firewall and not the AV. I'm not saying you have done it wrong though. Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk
BJ55 Posted Monday at 09:54 AM Posted Monday at 09:54 AM (edited) From the "I got like 4 frames of gameplay before it crashed again" and no WER other than DCS and Flightsimulator I can only suppose that it's not disk/AV/FW related, it's crashing while rendering terrain, so if a full repair with "check all files (slow)" + "search for extra files" + reboot don't solve the issue it could only be a Win11 conf/Win11 bug/driver issue... Or maybe a .Net bug introduced whith the last cumulative update? (how I miss Win7, it was so easy to solve problems) ( Damaged disk example: https://forum.dcs.world/topic/379011-what-the-latest-procedure-to-repair-an-installation/#findComment-5694880 , does't take much to check S.M.A.R.T. data for issues) Edited Monday at 09:57 AM by BJ55 I7-12700F, 64GB DDR4 3200MHz, Asus Z670M, RX 9070 XT 2560x1440 60Hz, TIR 5, TM WH VPC base, TM rudder, Win10 Pro
sleighzy Posted Monday at 11:17 AM Posted Monday at 11:17 AM (edited) There are more errors in the WER than just DCS and FlightSimulator. The majority of the reported crashes in the Windows DxDiag reports are LiveKernelEvents with error code 1b0, I don’t see any other error codes in the few DxDiag reports I’ve look at so far. This error code is likely why the DCS log analyzer is reporting memory timing issues (and to disable XMP as a possible solution, although this is apparently already off). This code indicates a critical hardware failure, or corrupted drivers. I also see the AMD Radeon Graphics failed to start with a post failure. I don’t know if you have disabled this (not sure how that shows up) or is related. You can check your devices and see if there is an exclamation mark or something for this. Can you check Windows Event Viewer for the 1b0 errors and see if it provides any more info on that What is definitely interesting is that it crashes in the exact same place each time. I’d think it would be more inconsistent, unless it’s trying to access something that goes through this path and fails. I’m not familiar with FlightSimulator but there are crashes there too, do you notice this, are there logs, is this also consistent? Given the Windows reinstalls, DCS reinstalls, etc. is this possibly just a hardware issue (or driver we’re not aware of)? From an earlier comment you’ve said the bios is on the latest version and the chipset drivers have all been updated as well. Yes, I may be off-base and wrong, just reporting on what I’m seeing in the WER log. Edited Monday at 11:29 AM by sleighzy 1 AMD 7800x3D, 4080Super, 64Gb DDR5 RAM, 4Tb NVMe M.2, Quest 2
sabreman Posted Monday at 07:57 PM Author Posted Monday at 07:57 PM (edited) So, just for fun I did another full wipe + reinstall, this time actually wiping the disk with zeros instead of just deleting the partitions. Still no dice. To answer the previous questions: Originally this was a local account. On re-install I used a microsoft account, then switched it to local. Both times the games crashed. Yes the account is an admin. I've properly set the exclusions, you'll find a screenshot of the windows defender menu attached. The drives SMART checks good, also attached (I've also manually checked for trouble codes in device manager, there are none) My old windows install, before all this happened, was on a different drive. It started having these issues, so when I reinstalled windows it was on this new drive, so this problem is following the Windows + DCS combo, not the drive. I didnt see any 1b0 errors, but attached is a screenshot of the most recent event viewer output for the DCS crash. My IGPU is currently disabled in the BIOS. Attached is the newest crash log from my new new install. This continues to get a big fast shoulder shrug from me. At this point the only thing I can think of to do is to start swapping components with other machines in my house, which I would MUCH prefer not to do because everything else runs linux and this computer is packed tight. I'll keep fiddling with things and report back. Edit: just noticed I accidentally ran MT version last time, ran the normal one just to be sure and obviously no dice. dcs.log-20251020-193948.zip Edited Monday at 08:00 PM by sabreman 1
sabreman Posted Monday at 08:29 PM Author Posted Monday at 08:29 PM (edited) An interesting development: While messing with the mission editor, I can use it in "SAT" view mode all day, scroll, zoom, place units etc. But DCS continually generates "DCS has Crashed" dialogs in the background as I do things. The attached log for instance has like 10+ "crashes" in the ED terrain dll, while I was able to use the mission editor without issue. Edit: For <profanity>s and giggles I tried multiplayer again, and the game actually loads in and connects. I can actually spectate, and as long as I dont move around too much It runs. If I hit F2 to try and spectate a player it'll usually crash, though one time I managed to spectate like 3 different players for about 2-3 minutes before trying to load into a su-25 and crashing then. Attached is the new log file. Still seems to be crashing due to the terrain access violation. dcs.log-20251020-204528.zip Edited Monday at 08:47 PM by sabreman 1
MAXsenna Posted Monday at 10:01 PM Posted Monday at 10:01 PM @sabreman I assume you let DCS send the crashlogs every time? If you haven't done so already, I would throw in the towel and make a support ticket now. 2
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