Scientist Built a Home Made Magnetic Generator 24 KW Free Home Electricity

[CE_Mikemonster]

Jesus! - You actually fed a troll for 8 pages! Moderate a discussion mate.. Moderate.. Not inflame it!

 

 

---> A.S, I am not using this for the purposes of Ad Hominem, but what is your age and your background in science?

 

I ask age, because when I was younger I also had such a passion for trying to 'change the world', in my own little way. This is admirable.

 

I also ask what your background in science is.

This is not to ridicule you (I have no scientific education), but to simply find where you 'deviated' from the 'accepted' scientific beliefs.

 

 

Essentially I'm asking you to explain what outcome you are trying to acheive here.

 

This is not a negative or positive thing. I am not taking sides. My aim is simply to have a logical debate, with no pointless ad hominem and 'tit-for-tat' arguing.

[Pilotasso]

AS is a respected community menber. The discussion was simply competetitive ;)

[CE_Mikemonster]

Trollish in many regards though.

 

I'm interested in this subject - I would just like a proper debate that is properly moderated.

[PlainSight]

Uff, I can already see this could never end. Once you're in a rabbit hole of "conspiracies", suppresed knowledge, UFO's, free energy, mainstream media, even 911, wars,... It all just keeps piling up and linking together.

 

I'ts obvious that A.S has "crossed the line" and when you do, it's impossible to go back to mainstream (science or media). You need some extra explanation, mainstream is just not good enough.

 

So, don't try to convince eachother about who's right, just share opinions and have an open mind. Don't fight eachother, that's pointless, it won't change anyones opinion.

[monotwix]

No free energy any more or since.

Only 33kva that’s all, even that doesn’t work.:cry_2:

I think it needs a capacitor.

[A.S]

Back in early years Edward Leedskalnin's claimed, that there is no such thing like electrons or atoms (core) and this model is very unaccurate in terms of understanding the "forces" interacting in the way they do.

He desciribed in his early simple ways how he understands Poles interacting with eachother explaining polarity and matter and gravity.

Surely his traces and works are very faint, just few applications of his works produce still "unlogic" phaszinating results....

 

more can be read here http://www.leedskalnin.com/ or in further topic-related posts over google.

 

Whatsoever, nowadays things become more define and more clear....following very similar approaches in that concept i discovered Keshes works...what are very interesting.

His works can be read up, in terms of official backup from respected instutions...(that part you have to do for yourself...im already asking myself if i should share anything at all to a very ignorant acting folk, but i do..)

 

Interview: http://www.mevio.com/episode/166406/FEN_090720

 

Homepage: http://www.keshespace.com/

 

http://keshefoundation.com/home.html

Edited September 3, 2009 by A.S

[GGTharos]

In reality, a find like this http://www.nature.com/news/2009/090903/full/news.2009.881.html is what's important.

 

It does have bearing on this whole free energy business - it requires some knowledge of Paul Dirac's findings, Maxwell's equations, and that all finally ties into QM - QM, which predicts both the Zero Point energy Field and that we cannot harness it.

 

As some people have demonstrated, their lack of understanding of science prevents them from understanding that if ZPE is usable, QM must be thrown out - not in part, but completely. So far QM keeps getting proven right, and the above discovery strengthens this model. Have fun ;)

[A.S]

I came to the conclussion, that it is absolutly unimportant if i convince you, or you me. It wont change the world.

Neither what you believe or know, or what your thinking apparatus is based on to convince itself or to maintain its own status of explanation.

Man, i am a rational thinking person as you are, and truly not a "dreamer". And maybe its also due to the fact, that i lived moments or/and expierienced things what none of your mighthy QM theories can explain.

Also its not my job to turn into a deadheadstreet-preecher...but...

But what i know, is what i know.

To quote Matrix: all i can do is showing you the door, but you must pass for yourself....but in order to so, you must ask question, question things you believed before....dig in wholes you dont suspect to be successful finding anything.......this is what differs me from you.

To understand you, i dont need to listen to you. All it takes is to open the books. Approved Science is easy to quote, and if it would come to comparsions, i would prefer a approved book rather then your opinion....yet i like to trigger your phantasie....

 

All i can say this, to suit your statepoint better.... Those "unusual" or "unexplainable" experiments have been done for you already....its up to you and science to explain it. Not up to them to rewrite science just to confirm their own excistence !!

Its science what is challanged ...not the phenomons job to proof human understanding of nature wrong.

 

Have fun too

 

PS: monopols are known for decades, even though a model to explain them was missing. Some new understandings handle that topic very logic and beautifull.

Edited September 4, 2009 by A.S

[A.S]

QM must be thrown out - not in part, but completely.

 

here i smile, because i doubt that QM is your "god"

[GGTharos]

I came to the conclussion, that it is absolutly unimportant if i convince you, or you me. It wont change the world.

Neither what you believe or know, or what your thinking apparatus is based on to convince itself or to maintain its own status of explanation.

 

Okay, sure.

 

Man, i am a rational thinking person as you are, and truly not a "dreamer". And maybe its also due to the fact, that i lived moments or/and expierienced things what none of your mighthy QM theories can explain.

Let's go with this: You are a rational thinking person, and there's no reason to question this. But, like everyone, you also believe in stuff - I can admit to that too ;)

 

My claim is that you don't understand nearly enough about the physics you claim are incorrect, to actually make a rational, informed decision on the subject.

 

While there are things the mighty QM model cannot explain, this does not make the model wrong. Betting against the QM model is a very good way to lose your money: It is a very sound, solid, and constantly verified model. It isn't something that people write into books and said 'this is how it is'. It isn't religion. Scientists constantly do work to verify predictions made by this model (and other models), and to extend it.

The predictions keep proving it right.

 

An example (not QM, but that's irrelevant) was the prediction of anti-matter: It was predicted before being observed. Same with dipoles.

 

Also its not my job to turn into a deadheadstreet-preecher...but...

But what i know, is what i know.

And I'm telling you don't know nearly enough to make the decisions you have made.

 

To quote Matrix: all i can do is showing you the door, but you must pass for yourself....but in order to so, you must ask question, question things you believed before....dig in wholes you dont suspect to be successful finding anything.......this is what differs me from you.

And this is where you incorrect. This is one of the pseudo-science fallacies: 'We don't know everything, so anything is possible'. WRONG!

 

To understand you, i dont need to listen to you. All it takes is open the books. Approved Science is easy to quote, and if it would come to comparsions, i would prefer a approved book rather then your opinion....yet i like to trigger your phantasie....

'Approved science'. Try 'tested science'. Proven, not approved. Have you actually opened any of those books? Do you understand them? You do not, and you've demonstrated this all over this thread. You don't even understand how science works.

 

All i can say this, to suit your statepoint better.... Those "unusual" or "unexplainable" experiments have been done for you already....its up to you and science to explain it. Not up to them to rewrite science just to confirm their own excistence !!

Its science what is challanged ...not the phenomons to proof.

 

Have fun too

You mean the ones with the multiple batteries? Crappy and indeed stupid experiments. Here's proof if you want to do it right:

 

Send them in with x charged and y discharged batteries, their apparatus, and nothing else, into a faraday cage. The mass, charges, and everything else on this stuff must be recorded before being taken in.

Once recorded, they are closed in the cage. If they bring back x + 1 charged batteries, boom, proven - free energy, from some place or another.

Anything else is not proof. Nothing, zip, squat, zilch, nada.

 

What about Dr. Claus' rotor in a magnetic field? It cracked me up that he showed a small energy loss, and therefore VACCUM ENERGY! ... yeah. I can spin a rotor in a nearly friction-less environment too, and I don't even need a magneric field.

 

Seriously, have you read and tried to understand this pseudo-science before believing it like you have?

 

There's a reason why we are very confindent in the existing physics model: IT WORKS. It accurately predicts things and those predictions that we were not able to observe before, can be observed now. Others that we cannot observe now, will likely be observed in the future.

 

So let me ask you - why have you not built any of these over-unity devices yourself yet, and power your home?

 

PS: And yes. Monopoles had been PREDICTED, but not observed, for decades. This is correct. ZPF was also known, and even observed for decades. The same theory that predicted it says you can't use it. ;)

Edited September 4, 2009 by GGTharos

[GGTharos]

here i smile, because i doubt that QM is your "god"

 

Here I smile, because you show a complete, and utter lack of understanding of what it means to test a scientific theory.

 

I doubt you even understand what 'scientific theory' means.

 

Further, I find it amusing that you, without actually knowing QM at all, would accuse me of appeal to deity - the one who believes blindly is you, not me. ;)

[A.S]

If you would just stop for second questioning my ability to understand physics or quantum-mechanics and you would go and look in your own fundaments, maybe you would discover questions and answers what would even make you say

WOW :music_whistling:

 

You know what 4 is, but i know what 2+2 is ....if you can catch the bridge here... ;) .

[GGTharos]

Actually, yes, the burden IS on you to explain things if you decide to go against proven existing science.

 

All i can say this, to suit your statepoint better.... Those "unusual" or "unexplainable" experiments have been done for you already....its up to you and science to explain it. Not up to them to rewrite science just to confirm their own excistence !!

Its science what is challanged ...not the phenomons job to proof human understanding of nature wrong.

[A.S]

Actually, yes, the burden IS on you to explain things if you decide to go against proven existing science.

 

Why i should proof anything to someone, who most probably doesn´t even understand himself :lol:

 

Dude, lets stop this....you go your way...i go mine...and all is fine.....im sure we both have a destination somehwere.

[GGTharos]

If you would just stop for second questioning my ability to understand physics or quantum-mechanics and you would go and look in your own fundaments, maybe you would discover questions and answer what would even you make WOW :music_whistling:

 

How about you read up and try to understand them, and you'll go 'WOW, I was wrong all along!'. I know you won't do that - because to do that would be too much work, and it would destroy your dream-world of free energy.

 

There are plenty of questions in QM and other physics models, there definitely are. Unfortunately, since you don't understand any of these things, you also can't ask those questions. :)

 

You know what 4 is, but i know what 2+2 is ....if you can catch the bridge here... ;) .

 

No, I don't think you know what 2+2 is. In fact, I doubt you could even begin to prove that 2+2 = 4. But I bet you never even asked yourself that question, have you?

 

WHY is 2+2=4? ;)

[GGTharos]

Why i should proof anything to someone, who most probably doesn´t even understand himself :lol:

 

Wow, that's a bold statement. :)

Can you prove it? Because I can definitely prove that you don't know what you're talking about :)

 

Dude, lets stop this....you go your way...i go mine...and all is fine.....im sure we both have a destination somehwere.

 

Yes, you stop this :) Pseudo-science should really not be propagated like this ... or at all.

[A.S]

How about you read up and try to understand them, and you'll go 'WOW, I was wrong all along!'. I know you won't do that - because to do that would be too much work, and it would destroy your dream-world of free energy.

 

There are plenty of questions in QM and other physics models, there definitely are. Unfortunately, since you don't understand any of these things, you also can't ask those questions. :)

 

 

 

No, I don't think you know what 2+2 is. In fact, I doubt you could even begin to prove that 2+2 = 4. But I bet you never even asked yourself that question, have you?

 

WHY is 2+2=4? ;)

 

You know, you are messing something very crucial up here....for you this debate resovles in "who is smarter". But actually, even though i would be happy to see your degree in what ever, its not about that question.

As i can see you canT catch up the bigger picture in that whole discussion, what showed me already your degree of inteligence (im not talking about knowledge)......therefore im very amused, but i dont wanna make fun about you, that would be bad attitude.

As i said...go your way...i go mine...

 

You really think you know everything relying on QM and published proven science=? cmon..that attitude i had with 12 arguing vs my father ...lol

[A.S]

Im not even angry at you...not a second....but i know you havent digged into fields i have, coming from same standpoints. Maybe one day you will change your mind or start questioning things you believed to be absolute.

Im not sure, but for us this discussion ends here.....reason why ...its not constructive .

 

Bye GG

[GGTharos]

You know, you are messing something very crucial up here....for you this debate resovles in "who is smarter".

 

No. You are mistaken - this isn't meant to show that I am smarter than you are. Nothing of the sort.

 

It is intended to show that you are in over your head.

 

But actually, even though i would be happy to see your degree in what ever, its not about that question.

Quite right, it isn't.

 

As i can see you canT catch up the bigger picture in that whole discussion, what showed me already your degree of inteligence (im not talking about knowledge)......therefore im very amused, but i dont wanna make fun about you, that would be bad attitude.

As i said...go your way...i go mine...

No ... the one who doesn't see the whole picture is you. And the reason you cannot see the whole picture is because you lack the knowledge required to see it.

 

You have failed to demonstrate an understanding of the physics you claim are wrong.

Not ONLY you have failed to demonstrate an understanding of them, but you have done so on the basis of dismissing an lengthy, rigorous history of science as the product of people with closed minds. NOT on the merits of observation and physics, nor mathematics, or anything of the sort. I was just a 'Bahaha I saw a couple papers and I know better than you because I've got imagination!'.

Some argument :)

 

You have further refused to attempt debunking existing physics. This is because you don't understand them, or you fear you'll be unable to - same thing, really.

 

You have then produced a bunch of sham links. I came up with a way to test over-unity devices using free energy of any sort.

Such a test has never been done, and you have failed to address my argument. My test does not require advanced knowledge of physics, and it is simple to perform, and not very expensive either.

 

You have then claimed that I have 'shown you my intelligence', which is called an ad-hominem fallacy. In other words, it is not an argument nor a statement of fact :) I have commited a bunch of those my self and for that I apologize.

 

Your continued argumentation on this subject is based on nothing but a bunch of internet links - you have no knowledge of what is going on within them, nor have you attempted to examine the 'other side' and learn something of it ... you know, real science?

 

In conclusion, your argument is a complete, unsalvageable, un-supportable failure.

 

So yes, you're right. The discussion ends here.

[A.S]

Lets suppose for a second - now lets really phanatasize - i would really be able to show you proof of something tremendous important.

 

You really think, i would do that for free in a flightsim forum just for the sake of arguing with a homeboy arcadian?

 

:)

 

I showed you the door.....you must go through....not me..

 

 

Bye GG

[GGTharos]

Yeah, I think you would if you believed in it.

 

You showed me a door, but there was the brick wall of reality behind it. Try going through it yourself sometime, see how your face does ;)

 

 

PS: Congrats on yet another ad-hominem.

 

You babble on sir, babble on ;)

[A.S]

I have the greatness to admit with you in proofen science! Nothing easier then that.

You have the lack "to think beyond" things....to discover... you are a "REAL" scientist !

 

Only Einstein was so "stuipid" to question TIME at his time ...and as far you are not Einstein neither stuipid :megalol: we cant proceed this discussion.

 

Speaking of which, TIME runs in my favour here ;)

Edited September 4, 2009 by A.S

[GGTharos]

I have the greatness to admit with you in proofen science! Nothing easier then that.

You have the lack "to think beyond" things....to discover... you are a "REAL" scientist !

 

Only Einstein was stuipid to question TIME at his time ...and as far you are not Einstein neither stuipid :megalol: we cant proceed this discussion.

 

See, you've made the same mistake you've been making all around. According to Einstein, there's no free energy ... perhaps you failed to read and understand his theories? Even a little? ;)

Funny that this smart, really smart guy used the principle of conservation of energy, and you're saying he was so stupid and unimaginative that he's er ... stupid because he couldn't see beyond this principle? That's what you just said, right? :D

[A.S]

See, you've made the same mistake you've been making all around. According to Einstein, there's no free energy ... perhaps you failed to read and understand his theories? Even a little? ;)

Funny that this smart, really smart guy used the principle of conservation of energy, and you're saying he was so stupid and unimaginative that he's er ... stupid because he couldn't see beyond this principle? That's what you just said, right? :D

 

Actually, if they would take me and you right now from the spot here and put us infront of an audience, asking us both about Einstein, you would fail BIGTIME.

 

I already presented a lecture about him, his life and his work infront of audience ;) ...whatever...oh yeah..now i cant resist asking ...what degree in science you do actually really have =? :music_whistling:

[GGTharos]

Actually, if they would take me and your right on the spot from here infront of an audience, asking us both about Einstein, you would fail BIGTIME.

 

I already presented a lecture about him, his life and his work infront of audience ;) ...whatever...oh yeah..now i cant resist asking ...what degree in science you do actually really have =? :music_whistling:

 

 

Who cares, give me the lecture :)

 

(Incidentally, I presented a lecture about DNA engineering. It was correct, but I still know nothing about genetics ;) . Also, I know little about Einstein's life, and most of GR really baffles me ... on the other hand, that he used conservation of energy is a fact and your attempt to prove yourself correct by commiting yet another fallacy will not fly here ;) )

Edited September 4, 2009 by GGTharos