Yaw turning while in auto-hover

[Yuri Janssen]

Allright, i still seem to have problems with hovering, sometimes i come in too fast and it dives to the ground again when i quickly release the stick (No FFB stick :( ) or doesnt hover properly, the other problem i was having is whenever i get in a good hover the rudder wants to turn all the time (usually to the right), i have no rudder pedals and no sideways turning on my stick. whenever i trim to the location i want to look at in autohover it sitll seems to do the exact same thing.

 

Anyone has this problem? or should i just buy a different stick with FFB and a turning axis on it for the rudder (pedals are too expensive)

 

Is FFB really needed in this sim to make trimming possible like it should? im not sure

Edited September 8, 2009 by Yuri Janssen

[nemises]

no FFB is not needed.. (though it sure would be nice..sigh)

Make sure you press "ctral-enter" to bring up the controls guide...this will show you where the controls are trimmed to...make sure you havent trimmed in some rudder.

Alternatively, it could be wind cocking.

Alternate to the alternative, you could have your heading hold set to another heading, and the AP could be trying to resolve that.

[Yuri Janssen]

mm it just keeps spinning round and round, even when wind seems to be calm not really turning to a selected heading of some sort (i think at least), can i trim the rudder seperatly? i thought it went all in one with the cyclic trimming.

[L4key]

If when you trim you are doing so when twisting the stick only then it'll only trim the rudder, the pitch and roll (x & y) should remain where they were trimmed previously.

 

Have you tried looking at the rt ctrl + enter (control guide as nemesis said) screen? This always helps me, my rudder is sometimes trimmed a way over for normal flight which is not neccessary when I enter a hover. More often than not if it's around center on the control guide I ain't yawing in a hover, that has to be the problem if the heading AP is set.

[Yuri Janssen]

If when you trim you are doing so when twisting the stick only then it'll only trim the rudder, the pitch and roll (x & y) should remain where they were trimmed previously.

 

Have you tried looking at the rt ctrl + enter (control guide as nemesis said) screen? This always helps me, my rudder is sometimes trimmed a way over for normal flight which is not neccessary when I enter a hover. More often than not if it's around center on the control guide I ain't yawing in a hover, that has to be the problem if the heading AP is set.

i think thats where part of my problem is, my joystick is not a twist joystick so i have to controll the rudder by buttons or by the keyboard, wich is full rudder or no rudder at all (or tapping the button, but that is quite annoying). so can i somehow trim the rudder by small increments? so it is more precise?

[L4key]

Don't know about the rudder on keys, whereas I would say a FFB is not absolutely necessary, I reckon a twisty stick is the minimum, so much of your control goes through the rudder, more so by miles than any fixed wing sim I've played.

 

I bet pedals and FFB are really good but I have a plenty immersive time with the £20 Logitech Extreme 3D.

 

Keys for rudder would do my head in - Invest in the twisty stick as a minimum IMHO.

[Conuk]

must say after banging my head against the cockpit window.... finally sorted my G25 pedals as rudder controllers...... soooooo much better as I was finding my chopper doing the same thing... and the pesky HDG hold button on..... things are slowly coming together now.

 

So yeah thumbs up for pedals or twisty stick.

[Yuri Janssen]

Don't know about the rudder on keys, whereas I would say a FFB is not absolutely necessary, I reckon a twisty stick is the minimum, so much of your control goes through the rudder, more so by miles than any fixed wing sim I've played.

 

I bet pedals and FFB are really good but I have a plenty immersive time with the £20 Logitech Extreme 3D.

 

Keys for rudder would do my head in - Invest in the twisty stick as a minimum IMHO.

I am going to sell my Yoke soon enough and did a bid on a secondhand Saitek X45 HOTAS set, wich is a twisting stick but not FFB, looks really nice and perfect for these kind of sims.

 

What autopilot buttons do you guys engage whenever you takeoff? my checklist says Bank hold/ Pitch Hold / HDG hold whenever flying, but im not sure if i should keep these on at all times?

[Nate--IRL--]

Bank hold/ Pitch Hold all of the time. HDG hold should be on for most of the time.

 

When turning I turn off HDG hold then turn to desired Heading and re-engage it. But most of the time I'll fly with the flight director on, unless on a long mission or auto hovering.

 

And before the purists jump on me, neither is the way a real pilot will actually operate real Ka-50. But until I have a control setup that behaves like a real Ka-50, it suits me fine.

 

Nate

[sinelnic]

I am going to sell my Yoke soon enough and did a bid on a secondhand Saitek X45 HOTAS set, wich is a twisting stick but not FFB, looks really nice and perfect for these kind of sims.

 

What autopilot buttons do you guys engage whenever you takeoff? my checklist says Bank hold/ Pitch Hold / HDG hold whenever flying, but im not sure if i should keep these on at all times?

 

If the X45 you're going to buy is the same kind as the X45 I currently own, it's not twistable!! There's some "finger pedals" for rudder in the Throttle handle, but they are useless IMHO. Also, the X45 centers very badly because of the diabolically twisted mechanism the Saitek guys came up with, I would recommend looking at alternatives especially for a helo sim where most of the input is small around the center position.

 

About the AP Channels, keep all of the mentioned on all the time. If you want more freedom, turn on the Flight Director.

[Pogo]

I am going to sell my Yoke soon enough and did a bid on a secondhand Saitek X45 HOTAS set, wich is a twisting stick but not FFB, looks really nice and perfect for these kind of sims.

 

What autopilot buttons do you guys engage whenever you takeoff? my checklist says Bank hold/ Pitch Hold / HDG hold whenever flying, but im not sure if i should keep these on at all times?

 

Actually, if I remember correctly, the X45 isn't a twist stick. It has rudder paddles on the backside of the throttle grip. I have one packed away somewhere. I prefer the paddle arrangement to the twist stick.

 

Cheers,

Pogo

[bumfire]

yup, the x45 has a rocker rudder on it, its not twistable, for twistable you need to go up to the x52.

[Yuri Janssen]

Mmm darn, might have to look in something else then. thanks for the tips atleast, i will start looking for a Twist-joystick and see if i can compeltely work out the autopilot

 

Many thanks ;)

[L4key]

Loads of people slag off the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro but I love it! Plenty of buttons, ergonomic, throttle slider and twists, and cheap.

 

Perhaps it's because I'm used to it and don't know better but I'd have no trouble recommending it from a simple point of view.

[Yuri Janssen]

I have gotten my new HOTAS setup today, a Thrustmaster T Flight stick X, wich is not too expensive, no confusing loads of buttons, twisty stick (awesome) and a seperate throttle lever.

 

Have to say, this sim is only fun if you have a good stick, and the twisting takes some getting used to but works great when you have got the hang of it.

 

Thanks for the help everyone, it's cool to see a community like this, should be proud of yourselves hehe.