Who in the Lomac Community uses radar Automization?

[Maximus]

+1 to Crunch and Polecat.

 

It dosent hurt to experment with it. it is darn pretty cool to see a real stuff in game before it goes to "Medieval time" APG-63 radar.:joystick:

[Grimes]

Your point Grimes is a good one, but I am not sure if what you suggest is technically possible. We can however, put the ERI mod info in our brief for all to see. As for LEAVU, we are not using it in a group capacity currently.

 

If I were using either of those when I join your server I'd change my name to "3Sqn_Grimes (ERI/LEAVU)"

 

Basically I'd include any disputed mods I'm using as part of my player name.

 

Just like players in FPS who often play with the (NoSound) or (Music) tag stating they don't have sound or are listening to music and playing.

 

In that respect its self regulated, however players are at least giving everyone else the common courtesy of added information.

[RvEYoda]

For those interested, work is being done currently on the next versions of the mods,

which will be bundled together in one single installation.

 

This will be called just Leavu-eri 2.1 and will basically be an update of:

 

- small bug fixes

- code and performance improvements

- ECCM ranging adapted to fit demonstrated effectiveness of triangulation

[Case]

For those interested, work is being done currently on the next versions of the mods,

which will be bundled together in one single installation.

Yoda, what work is done to prevent your software from being misused?

[RvEYoda]

Yoda' date=' what work is done to prevent your software from being misused?[/quote']

 

If someone writes a cheat script, is that automatically my fault?

You can edit the tacview export or touch buddy exports, or any export, or write your own one,

that doesn't make it the tacview creator's obligation to create a security system for lockon...

 

The only possibility I see for not using integrity check is if someone finds a way to encrypt the actual lua scripts in a

way that only lockon can read them and nobody can edit them, but i doubt that is possible. Like said before, the only

foolproof way is a server browser with auto-mod download after user answers yes + integrity check.

 

IMHO overkill.

Edited April 6, 2010 by =RvE=Yoda

[Case]

If someone else writes his own script that creates cheat, is that automatically my fault?

No, it is not, but you or GG mentioned something about it, so I was wondering what you might be doing on that.

 

With LRM your scripts and locked ACMI was forced upon the clients, but right now it is a free for all. People writing scripts should take their responsibility and inform the community and server admins of how scripts may be misused.

[RvEYoda]

No, it is not, but you or GG mentioned something about it, so I was wondering what you might be doing on that.

 

With LRM your scripts and locked ACMI was forced upon the clients, but right now it is a free for all. People writing scripts should take their responsibility and inform the community and server admins of how scripts may be misused.

 

How deep do you want to go? It isn't a matter of what can be done with some person's scripts,

it is a matter of what can be done with the exports.

 

ED provides instructions to everyone how to write these scripts. If player X chose to abuse

them then maybe he finds it easier to copy paste part of the code from some non-

cheat mod that someone else made. That hardly makes it the non-cheat mod creator's

responsibility to inform others that player X may have copy pasted parts of the mod to use cheats?

 

It is like writing an efficient sorting algorithm and then saying we should inform everybody it

is dangerous because it can be used to decrypt classified information? That's how I see it.

Edited April 6, 2010 by =RvE=Yoda

[Maximus]

For those interested, work is being done currently on the next versions of the mods,

which will be bundled together in one single installation.

 

This will be called just Leavu-eri 2.1 and will basically be an update of:

 

- small bug fixes

- code and performance improvements

- ECCM ranging adapted to fit demonstrated effectiveness of triangulation

 

Good news about self installation, any chance to make it modman comptable so that way we can disable/enable it... in case few of those FC2 server wishes not to have this enabled.

[RvEYoda]

Good news about self installation, any chance to make it modman comptable so that way we can disable/enable it... in case few of those FC2 server wishes not to have this enabled.

 

This is a good idea, however I have no idea how to do it. Maybe you could explain to

me what needs to be done?

 

Starting work on new ECCM ranging that will be in leavu-eri 2.1.

Here are two test cases from gameplay

 

Blue line: Estimated range during Test1

Red line: Estimated range during Test2

Green line: Actual range

 

 

 

In short:

- Ranging starts way off, no way you can get a good range the first couple of seconds.

- Scanning the same target frequently will get you better ranging.

- Scanning the same target too slow will decrease the accuracy of ranging

- To get improved rangings with time, target must be bugged 6A or scanned 3A.

- Above chart is for STT HOJ

- Ranging improves or gets worse depending on how well target mirrors your movement (triangulation)

Edited April 6, 2010 by =RvE=Yoda

[AustinN360]

This is a good idea, however I have no idea how to do it. Maybe you could explain to

me what needs to be done?

 

Starting work on new ECCM ranging that will be in leavu-eri 2.1.

Here are two test cases from gameplay

 

Blue line: Estimated range during Test1

Red line: Estimated range during Test2

Green line: Actual range

 

 

 

In short:

- Ranging starts way off, no way you can get a good range the first couple of seconds.

- Scanning the same target frequently will get you better ranging.

- Scanning the same target too slow will decrease the accuracy of ranging

- To get improved rangings with time, target must be bugged 6A or scanned 3A.

- Above chart is taken with STT HOJ

( - I May make the algorithm also depend on your heading vs target heading )

 

Hey mate.

 

You can email me over the files and I could give it a bash at making a modman file for you.

 

Route Out.

[Maximus]

Yoda, I have no idea how Modman works by adding the pack. I personally never did that myself...

 

it is pretty intersting to see your charts, do you happen to have the data from real F15C ECCM ranging estimation, it would be great to compare with it.

 

Route, nice of you, but it would be nice if you explain to him how to make it modman comptable. that is reason because he will be constantly updating and improving on that mod until final verison.

[RvEYoda]

it is pretty intersting to see your charts, do you happen to have the data from real F15C ECCM ranging estimation, it would be great to compare with it.

 

I think that would be classified. I've used the principles from the documents posted here

as a reference. Remember I'm not actually doing the eccm ranging. That would involve a

lot of math. I'm just introducing data modifications to target positions that produces

a similar behaviour.

 

Sort of in the same way as the game doesn't really simulate a radar, only produces a system from

the game state that produces similar behaviour.

 

Update: I've tweaked the 2.1 ECCM to behave pretty interesting now, for example:

even if you manage to acquire a stable ranging solution(takes time and aspect), the

target may change flight path or your own change in flight path can just as easily break it.

 

For example two guys flying straight at each other will never create a ranging solution,

same with two guys mirroring each others paths.

Edited April 6, 2010 by =RvE=Yoda

[Maximus]

How can I reverse the installation of ERI Mod? to default FC2?

 

Let me know

Thanks

[104th_Crunch]

How can I reverse the installation of ERI Mod? to default FC2?

 

Let me know

Thanks

 

restore the original config/export/export.lua file. This wiill disable it. If you want to restore the complete folder, use a back up of the export folder.

Edited April 8, 2010 by Crunch

[Maximus]

Yes that works. thanks.

[Maximus]

Here is the Demo of ERI mods. Thought wanted to show how =RvE=Yoda's Mod works. focus on radar MFD screen.

 

 

Edited April 9, 2010 by Maximus

[PoleCat]

Looks cool Maximus. Nice job on the vids.

 

Out

[RvEYoda]

Here is the Demo of ERI mods. Thought wanted to show how =RvE=Yoda's Mod works. focus on radar MFD screen.

 

 

 

 

Just so it's clear, this is the old ranging which is too accurate.

The new algorithm (which will be released in leavu+eri 2.1) will not give you

such a precise ranging unless you scan him with the proper LOS changes for about 30 seconds or more.

[Maximus]

Roger, when U get this out. I will do a better demo video of it.

[RvEYoda]

Roger, when U get this out. I will do a better demo video of it.

 

Currently getting some interesting information from a good source about ecm ranging.

Very interesting. Will definitely look it over before 2.1 comes out.

 

I will explain later. Looks like both sides of this debate have been wrong :P

[RvEYoda]

What source?

 

I'll let him reveal himself if he wants to. Once the decision on what/how/if to implement

eccm ranging in leavu+eri 2.1 has been made, then I will write what sources the

decisions were based on, and if he wishes, the person who provided some of them

may write here.

 

I think we can make some really cool ranging with this :)

Edited April 9, 2010 by =RvE=Yoda

[A.S]

spooky "i cant tell the source its classified" is really not satisfying or justifying. sorry. but then again, its a private project of yours...so :smilewink:

[GGTharos]

He didn't say the source is classified; he said it isn't up to him to tell.

There have been a number of people who have contributed good data like this and out of respect their names are not repeated; some ask not to be named as well, but they all tend to be legit. A few frauds have happened in the past but they have always been caught.

 

I think you'll find ED also has sources that they will not share, either because they simply are not willing, or actually bound by agreement not to.

 

spooky "i cant tell the source its classified" is really not satisfying or justifying. sorry. but then again, its a private project of yours...so :smilewink:

Edited April 9, 2010 by GGTharos

[A.S]

:music_whistling:

[Maximus]

if he have to tell you, once you gain the knowledge then he has to shoot right into your head. :cry:

 

it's nice to have someone helping out on how real thing works...