Landing off runway

[anthonye]

Landing off of runway or hard surface completly ruins this sim. Any movement whilst landing on grass makes it tip over no matter how carefull you are. This has been mentioned awhile ago, totally un-realistic, too sensitive needs to be changed, helicopters do land on rough ground, they do in the UK anyway with or without tarmac.

[159th_Viper]

Landing off of runway or hard surface completly ruins this sim. Any movement whilst landing on grass makes it tip over no matter how carefull you are. This has been mentioned awhile ago, totally un-realistic, too sensitive needs to be changed, helicopters do land on rough ground, they do in the UK anyway with or without tarmac.

 

Not True - Just have to Work on your Landings :)

[STP Dragon]

Do you have installed the patch 1.0.1?

In my point of view landing on grass is much easyer now.

Before the patch the helo explode instandly if you touch the ground.

Now (after the patch) emergence-landings are possible.

It is possible that you rollover, your helo-parts are breakeaway and you explodeing mutch more rarely than befort the patch.

[Martillo1]

If you try to land on a steep slope, or if you are moving sideways, yes, you tip over. But it is possible to land outside the airports, I have done it multiple times.

[anthonye]

Do you have installed the patch 1.0.1?

In my point of view landing on grass is much easyer now.

Before the patch the helo explode instandly if you touch the ground.

Now (after the patch) emergence-landings are possible.

It is possible that you rollover, your helo-parts are breakeaway and you explodeing mutch more rarely than befort the patch.

 

Loks like I will have to have another go, just getting a bit frustrated.

 

I have the patch, so it must be me then, will keep trying. I have just wondered if the brakes are left on and stopping the roll.

[159th_Viper]

Another hint would be to Throttle Down to 'GOVERNOR FAIL' immediately upon Touch-Down. Check your Right Rear Panel for Wheel Brake engagement prior to Touchdown and Counter any Roll with Opposite Cyclic.

[H-street]

? i land on grass/dirt all the time.

 

but i am a bit paranoid when i do it, come to an almost dead stop hover just above the ground before i touch down

[Griffin]

Yesterday I landed on a hill side to inspect the downed helicopter of my wingman. If the landing spot isn't totally level, land facing the uphill and make sure you don't have any sideway movement. This way you will land nosewheel first and won't tip over. If you land sideways on uneven terrain or have any side velocity, the rotorblades might get unbalanced, (forgot the name of the phenomenon), create a huge torque and destroy themselves. Also make sure your joystick isn't too sensitive.

[159th_Falcon]

Yesterday I landed on a hill side to inspect the downed helicopter of my wingman. If the landing spot isn't totally level, land facing the uphill and make sure you don't have any sideway movement. This way you will land nosewheel first and won't tip over. If you land sideways on uneven terrain or have any side velocity, the rotorblades might get unbalanced, (forgot the name of the phenomenon), create a huge torque and destroy themselves. Also make sure your joystick isn't too sensitive.

 

Your talking about Dynamic Rollover?

 

Have a look at the following page;

http://dynamicflight.com/aerodynamics/dynamic_roll/

[Griffin]

No, looked it up and it's called ground resonance:

 

Ground resonance is an aerodynamic phenomenon associated with fully-articulated rotor systems. It develops when the rotor blades move out of phase with each other and cause the rotor disc to become unbalanced. This condition can cause a helicopter to self-destruct in a matter of seconds.

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If you allow your helicopter to touch down firmly on one corner (wheel type landing gear is most conducive for this) the shock is transmitted to the main rotor system. This may cause the blades to move out of their normal relationship with each other.

[Frederf]

I've experienced what the OP is talking about. It's still in 1.01 and very annoying. Say you are playing the silly mission where you land next to the UAZ to get the briefcase and then flying out to the ship (forget the name).

 

I can land just fine but the second I apply power to take off I explode in an instant glitchy fireball. Landing off runway or FARP surfaces is rather buggy in DCS. I didn't tip over or experience ground resonance. If you watch a video of ground resonance it's pretty obviously different from an instant explosion.

[EtherealN]

Well, the explosions in DCS aren't always meant to indicate that it exploded - it's more like a rough indication that the aircraft suffered some form of catastrophic damage.

 

Though yes, sometimes it's a bit on the crude end even though I very seldom experience it myself.

[sinelnic]

What I experienced is that sometimes one of your main landing wheels keeps "bouncing" against the ground. Look like (I've no idea how to prove it) the collision detection for the ground gets broken, with the gear extending completely below the ground, and then contracting to max contraction, and, supposedly due to the effect of the suspension, bouncing back to full extension.

 

This, in many cases, unbalances my chopper to the point of crashing sideways, and the only way to control this is to immediately bring the power to Idle. This does not stop the bouncing, but reduces its intensity enough to keep the helo on its feet.

 

This will never ever happen on tarmac or rooftops, only on unprepared ground. Needless to say I have never in my life seen any sort of suspension+wheel act in this manner, but what do I know.

 

But then again my personal theory is that the sim is not deeply modelling the effect of unprepared ground and some simplification was used to model the roughness as best as possible. There's an old joke here about a Physicist trying to develop a potion for racing horses to be invincible, yet failing miserably every time killing the poor animal, due to the physicist using a spherical, almost-zero-mass horse in his calculations. Heh.