Realistic setting servers

[Distiler]

Hi!

 

I've noticed that some of the servers with the most realistic settings (no external views, etc.) have also the F10 map disabled. I think F10 map should be enabled, but without anything displayed, not even our own aircraft, think about it as a paper map the pilot might have.

 

What do you think?

[sniffer]

Forget about this! On ubi.com servers (golden LO 1.0 era) You could find external views etc. Print Your maps, put on knees and fly!

[Distiler]

Forget about this! On ubi.com servers (golden LO 1.0 era) You could find external views etc. Print Your maps, put on knees and fly!

 

I don't really agree. If there is not any exploit regarding having F10 map without any moving unit, how's that different from having a paper map? well, in first place is more ecological :p

 

Is there any exploit that I don't know about it?

[Boberro]

F10 map should be turned on. It is as same as normal paper map.

[Case]

Then why not use a paper map? :D

 

Especially when the Tactical Maps come out...

[Vecko]

Then why not use a paper map? :D

 

Especially when the Tactical Maps come out...

 

well, i have no more paint in my printer(for example)...:)

[Distiler]

Then why not use a paper map? :D

 

Especially when the Tactical Maps come out...

 

I'd like that map seriously, but even that F10 does not harm being activated (just the map, not friendly, not enemy not even our own plan shown). Many ppl won't buy the map anyway, and having F10 disables will be a penalization for them.

 

Even if you want to switch on some units (some sams, etc.) that are already detected as per the briefing. Dunno, there are many choices here.

 

And server load is lower if you load and run it looking at the F10 map (couple it with maxfps=30 in config.cfg for example), it renders just 2D instead of 3D. So I think it's best for everyone.

Edited March 30, 2010 by Distiler

[Vecko]

Forget about this! On ubi.com servers (golden LO 1.0 era) You could find external views etc. Print Your maps, put on knees and fly!

O c'mon please...don't sell me that stuff,did you forget that F11 airfield view can't be disabled, that is much worst then F10 with nothing on it...

[sniffer]

Every talks that sims should be more and more close to real. Especially when it comes about missile ballistic and similar things. Why not doing this if it comes about NAV?

 

Saving trees? 2012 is coming - forget about trees...

 

Don't have ink in Your printer? So You've got an option - magic F11. Keep using this! Perfect equivalent :doh:

[Distiler]

Every talks that sims should be more and more close to real. Especially when it comes about missile ballistic and similar things. Why not doing this if it comes about NAV?

 

Saving trees? 2012 is coming - forget about trees...

 

Don't have ink in Your printer? So You've got an option - magic F11. Keep using this! Perfect equivalent :doh:

 

I don't fully understand you. What I'm saying is the F-10 map (with limited shown units, if any at all) is more realistic, in my opinion, than no map.

Edited March 30, 2010 by Distiler

[sniffer]

I said F11 according to Vecko post.

 

Everybody walks his ways... But most of DS admins selected another one and we need to live with it!

 

I use Lys mod Blue suit & maps V.3.0 when I've got virtual map on my virtual knees. There're several mods like this. Unfortunately map has changed so I need new mod (updated map).

Next thing is Crimea only map on my wall (in fact too high to use it properly).

But 50-70cm from me there are printed maps (3 versions?) as well.

Last option is to have XnView running background with loaded map (don't remember when I used it last time but probably in 1.0 times).

 

Your choice!

[Distiler]

What happens with F11, I don't fully understand. Is it exploitable?

Why should I use paper, mods or external programs if there is an built-in map?

Well, my arguments have been repeated, I stop here.

[sniffer]

You can switch between external view of each airport. And then You can zoom in/ou moving around like in external views... So use of it could be different. As Vecko said - couldn't be disabled...

[Distiler]

I think there is some language barrier here, because I don't see any relation between me asking about F10 map and realism vs F11 view.

[Toast]

Distiler, I hear what you are saying and I agree, folks should keep F10 available without units, as I see it as a curtesy and not unrealistic in the least!

[Panzertard]

FC2 - External Views - now obeys "Allied Only"

[104th_Crunch]

In FC1 there was an exploit created with allowing the map view with just the map on, no enemy units. If a client joined the mission as a spectator, then the full map would function revealing all units. That's why you never seen the map in FC1 in MP servers.

 

Thanks Panzertard for your findings. In my own opinion only, I do not like having even friendly externals on, or my own plane external on in a MP PvP server. You can zoom around your aircraft to get beyond blind spots that you have in the cockpit.

 

I just tried forcing externals off and the map view on in FC2. This combo resulted in no map for me. If the map view is available with no externals than that that would be cool. I personally don't want any externals on and looks like that is not available with a map on unless I am wrong.

[Lightning]

But in general it would Not be unrealistic to have a GPS Map with your own position these days in a cockpit of an Combat Airplane.

As far as i know the KA-50 Black Shark offers such a system in the ABRIS as standard equipment.

Also Police Helicopters often do have such systems.

 

Just theoretically, isn´t it even possible to take your private mobile Navigation System out of your car and fix it on the Airplane cockpit window ? :music_whistling:

Theroretically that would be possible, as the world wide GPS satellite system would cover any point on earth, and this does not only work on street level, also in higher altitudes.

 

The only thing missing in an Combat Airplane is the 12Volt Car connection :megalol:.

But with a high power Lithium Ion battery you could use the navigation system without external power supply for 4 hours. Thats enough for CAS Missions :thumbup:

[Lava]

But in general it would Not be unrealistic to have a GPS Map with your own position these days in a cockpit of an Combat Airplane.

As far as i know the KA-50 Black Shark offers such a system in the ABRIS as standard equipment.

Also Police Helicopters often do have such systems.

 

Just theoretically, isn´t it even possible to take your private mobile Navigation System out of your car and fix it on the Airplane cockpit window ? :music_whistling:

Theroretically that would be possible, as the world wide GPS satellite system would cover any point on earth, and this does not only work on street level, also in higher altitudes.

 

Lightning, that works pretty well, people can get GPS fixes in airplanes. I have a wrist-mounted GPS that works perfectly in a car, under trees, clouds, etc. Haven't tested it in a plane but I've read of people who have. I'm sure a slightly larger model with maps installed could be used in a fighter/bomber's canopy. The question might be if such electronics are -allowed- in the cockpit. Electronic emissions concerns? If A-10 pilots use binoculars, a GPS might be a valuable addition (in real life). I know I miss the ABRIS!

[Distiler]

In FC1 there was an exploit created with allowing the map view with just the map on, no enemy units. If a client joined the mission as a spectator, then the full map would function revealing all units. That's why you never seen the map in FC1 in MP servers.

 

Thanks Panzertard for your findings. In my own opinion only, I do not like having even friendly externals on, or my own plane external on in a MP PvP server. You can zoom around your aircraft to get beyond blind spots that you have in the cockpit.

 

I just tried forcing externals off and the map view on in FC2. This combo resulted in no map for me. If the map view is available with no externals than that that would be cool. I personally don't want any externals on and looks like that is not available with a map on unless I am wrong.

 

OK I'm a dumbass, sorry guys, I totally screwed the thread, sorry Sniffer my memory slipped at this :doh:

 

You can't have externals off and use F-10 map with no icons. To have externals off and F-10 map at least you need to see you'r aircraft icon in the map (GPS mode). Same with DCS:Ka-50.

 

Now the choice is really hard. I don't like externals at all, and the GPS F-10 map mehhh, but better than no map at all.

 

I opened a thread in general discussion about this:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=865482#post865482

Edited March 31, 2010 by Distiler

[sniffer]

No problem mate... I didn't say it to spite You but I tried to tell You that lately (for me lately means about 2 years) there are NO active servers with this option turned on and it will be very hard to enforced by DS admins...

 

Cheers...