Multiple Alamo launch...

[sniffer]

Any changes in lanuching missiles? Found that AI can do multiple R-27 launches...

 

Little description on sshots:

 

 

 

 

Is that normal? Or can I do it in FC2? :music_whistling:

[Kuky]

What!?

[sniffer]

If I launch 1st missile I need to hold lock on target yes?

 

So how AI wingman launch second missile while 1st still 'in air' and the first one hit the target?

[Nate--IRL--]

If I launch 1st missile I need to hold lock on target yes?

 

So how AI wingman launch second missile while 1st still 'in air' and the first one hit the target?

 

You can launch 2 missiles too. I'm not sure what the confusion is? The R-27 is guided by the reflected Radar energy, it is not a bean rider.

 

Edit: Sorry now I see, he's engaging 2 targets with two SARH missiles at the same time, I agree should not be possible.

 

Nate

Edited April 20, 2010 by Nate--IRL--

[asparagin]

Nice! Can you use re-lock in FC 2.0? if so he probably is switching locks from one plane to another. Indeed clever AI

[sniffer]

Thought the same... cause second missile didn't hit so it could be one explantation but believe me: AI aren't so clever... especially when I sent them on action and they don't want to rejoin.

[EtherealN]

asparagin, doing so while the first missile is still in flight should cause the first missile to lose tracking, afaik.

[sniffer]

But you can re-lock target (which is better than FC1.1 I heard) and missile still tracks target... so we talk about 'unreal' scenario when plane:

- lock 1st target and shot,

- lock 2nd target and shot,

- re-lock 1st target and hit 1st target

 

Probably he want to re-lock 2nd target and hit but he didn't hit...

[EtherealN]

Hm. That is an interesting point. Seems like a risky approach since your timing has to be amazingly good, but...

[asparagin]

Thought the same... cause second missile didn't hit so it could be one explantation but believe me: AI aren't so clever... especially when I sent them on action and they don't want to rejoin.

 

In that context it was more like a joke :D

 

asparagin, doing so while the first missile is still in flight should cause the first missile to lose tracking, afaik.

 

Re-locking seems the only reasonable explanation. But haven't did it myself in FC 2.0. AFAIK in 1.12 it worked also some times. But to use this as a combat maneuver is impracticable, first you can't be that fast. second it is a matter of luck to get 2 jets at the time.

 

EDIT: ...but it's badass cool.

Edited April 20, 2010 by asparagin

[Case]

Did you check if it may have been a HOJ shot?

[EtherealN]

Good point, Case. The very direct route the first missile took might indicate that. Should have thought of that.

[sniffer]

It wasn't HOJ for sure... F-16 and F-5 w/o jammers

[RedTiger]

Wait, first of all...so with a HOJ shot, the R-27 becomes self-homing? Do when know this with total certainty?

 

Sniffer, for your situation, I have seen that in FC 1.12, only it was me and not the AI. I have seen an R-27 continue to track and kill a bandit while I was locked onto another fighter. GG in this thread also suggests that an R-27 can guide on its own during HOJ. Konkussion confirms that he has seen this happen with the AI.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=31223&highlight=Hand-off

 

I can't remember if the bandit was jamming, as this was close to 2 years ago. Its probably just a rare bug.

Edited April 20, 2010 by RedTiger

[Case]

It wasn't HOJ for sure... F-16 and F-5 w/o jammers

Okay. It also seems it might be too close and would have burnthrough already.

 

One thing that strikes me is that the second R-27R does not appear to track the second F-16A.

 

Regardless, this looks very odd. Can you share this tacview? Also, can you reproduce these events?

[asparagin]

One thing that strikes me is that the second R-27R does not appear to track the second F-16A.

 

Looks like the second R-27 lost track at the time when the first one makes a turn, that's why it looks like a re-lock situation.

[Erdem]

This looks like a bug to me. Both missiles seem to be tracking their targets.

[GGTharos]

Better yet, do you have a track?

Developers can figure out if its a bug from a track - or, what the bug itself is.

[Avimimus]

IRL Mig-29s can be upgraded to simultaneously attack two targets with R-27.

 

However, I was under the impression that switching targets wasn't a possibility in the non-upgraded version (without losing the first missile anyway).

 

I'd personally like a Mig-31. Do they ever engage multiple targets according to ACMI? In real life they can simultaneously launch and guide in all of their missiles on separate targets (four target engagement). However, only about 7% of the English forum population want's to see a Mig-31 before all other interceptors. :(

[Boberro]

Casue MiG-31 is a big cow which is supposed to fly at 15+ km on loooooooooooooooong routes.

 

Typical LO scenario is 100 km between RED and BLUE :D

 

Su-30MKIII would be nicer :P

[GGTharos]

IRL Mig-29s can be upgraded to simultaneously attack two targets with R-27.

 

You mean R-77, because with the R-27 that's pretty much a big fat no. There exist a possible particular exception which would result in a particularly low Pk simultaneous shot against a pair of non-maneuvering large aircraft flying pretty much next to each other.

 

I'd personally like a Mig-31. Do they ever engage multiple targets according to ACMI? In real life they can simultaneously launch and guide in all of their missiles on separate targets (four target engagement). However, only about 7% of the English forum population want's to see a Mig-31 before all other interceptors. :(

 

Yep, MiG-31, not so interesting ... its main purpose is to defend mother Russia by shooting down bombers and cruise missiles - not other fighters.

[Dudikoff]

Yep, MiG-31, not so interesting ... its main purpose is to defend mother Russia by shooting down bombers and cruise missiles - not other fighters.

 

That's a matter of personal preference. I wouldn't mind shelling out a few hundred dollars for the MiG-31 (or the F-14, for that matter) simulated in the DCS.

[sniffer]

Can you share this tacview? Also' date=' can you reproduce these events?[/quote']

 

Tacview

 

Will try to reproduce in operations over Abkhazia ;) But tommorow or later... :)