sniffer Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 Any changes in lanuching missiles? Found that AI can do multiple R-27 launches... Little description on sshots: Is that normal? Or can I do it in FC2? :music_whistling: 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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sniffer Posted April 20, 2010 Author Posted April 20, 2010 If I launch 1st missile I need to hold lock on target yes? So how AI wingman launch second missile while 1st still 'in air' and the first one hit the target? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Nate--IRL-- Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 (edited) If I launch 1st missile I need to hold lock on target yes? So how AI wingman launch second missile while 1st still 'in air' and the first one hit the target? You can launch 2 missiles too. I'm not sure what the confusion is? The R-27 is guided by the reflected Radar energy, it is not a bean rider. Edit: Sorry now I see, he's engaging 2 targets with two SARH missiles at the same time, I agree should not be possible. Nate Edited April 20, 2010 by Nate--IRL-- Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
asparagin Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 Nice! Can you use re-lock in FC 2.0? if so he probably is switching locks from one plane to another. Indeed clever AI Spoiler AMD Ryzen 9 5900X, MSI MEG X570 UNIFY (AM4, AMD X570, ATX), Noctua NH-DH14, EVGA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti XC3 ULTRA, Seasonic Focus PX (850W), Kingston HyperX 240GB, Samsung 970 EVO Plus (1000GB, M.2 2280), 32GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo DDR4-3600 DIMM CL16, Cooler Master 932 HAF, Samsung Odyssey G5; 34", Win 10 X64 Pro, Track IR, TM Warthog, TM MFDs, Saitek Pro Flight Rudders
sniffer Posted April 20, 2010 Author Posted April 20, 2010 Thought the same... cause second missile didn't hit so it could be one explantation but believe me: AI aren't so clever... especially when I sent them on action and they don't want to rejoin. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
EtherealN Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 asparagin, doing so while the first missile is still in flight should cause the first missile to lose tracking, afaik. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
sniffer Posted April 20, 2010 Author Posted April 20, 2010 But you can re-lock target (which is better than FC1.1 I heard) and missile still tracks target... so we talk about 'unreal' scenario when plane: - lock 1st target and shot, - lock 2nd target and shot, - re-lock 1st target and hit 1st target Probably he want to re-lock 2nd target and hit but he didn't hit... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
EtherealN Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 Hm. That is an interesting point. Seems like a risky approach since your timing has to be amazingly good, but... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
asparagin Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 (edited) Thought the same... cause second missile didn't hit so it could be one explantation but believe me: AI aren't so clever... especially when I sent them on action and they don't want to rejoin. In that context it was more like a joke :D asparagin, doing so while the first missile is still in flight should cause the first missile to lose tracking, afaik. Re-locking seems the only reasonable explanation. But haven't did it myself in FC 2.0. AFAIK in 1.12 it worked also some times. But to use this as a combat maneuver is impracticable, first you can't be that fast. second it is a matter of luck to get 2 jets at the time. EDIT: ...but it's badass cool. Edited April 20, 2010 by asparagin Spoiler AMD Ryzen 9 5900X, MSI MEG X570 UNIFY (AM4, AMD X570, ATX), Noctua NH-DH14, EVGA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti XC3 ULTRA, Seasonic Focus PX (850W), Kingston HyperX 240GB, Samsung 970 EVO Plus (1000GB, M.2 2280), 32GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo DDR4-3600 DIMM CL16, Cooler Master 932 HAF, Samsung Odyssey G5; 34", Win 10 X64 Pro, Track IR, TM Warthog, TM MFDs, Saitek Pro Flight Rudders
Case Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 Did you check if it may have been a HOJ shot? There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
EtherealN Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 Good point, Case. The very direct route the first missile took might indicate that. Should have thought of that. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
sniffer Posted April 20, 2010 Author Posted April 20, 2010 It wasn't HOJ for sure... F-16 and F-5 w/o jammers [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
RedTiger Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 (edited) Wait, first of all...so with a HOJ shot, the R-27 becomes self-homing? Do when know this with total certainty? Sniffer, for your situation, I have seen that in FC 1.12, only it was me and not the AI. I have seen an R-27 continue to track and kill a bandit while I was locked onto another fighter. GG in this thread also suggests that an R-27 can guide on its own during HOJ. Konkussion confirms that he has seen this happen with the AI. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=31223&highlight=Hand-off I can't remember if the bandit was jamming, as this was close to 2 years ago. Its probably just a rare bug. Edited April 20, 2010 by RedTiger
Case Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 It wasn't HOJ for sure... F-16 and F-5 w/o jammersOkay. It also seems it might be too close and would have burnthrough already. One thing that strikes me is that the second R-27R does not appear to track the second F-16A. Regardless, this looks very odd. Can you share this tacview? Also, can you reproduce these events? There are only 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.
asparagin Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 One thing that strikes me is that the second R-27R does not appear to track the second F-16A. Looks like the second R-27 lost track at the time when the first one makes a turn, that's why it looks like a re-lock situation. Spoiler AMD Ryzen 9 5900X, MSI MEG X570 UNIFY (AM4, AMD X570, ATX), Noctua NH-DH14, EVGA GeForce RTX 3070 Ti XC3 ULTRA, Seasonic Focus PX (850W), Kingston HyperX 240GB, Samsung 970 EVO Plus (1000GB, M.2 2280), 32GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo DDR4-3600 DIMM CL16, Cooler Master 932 HAF, Samsung Odyssey G5; 34", Win 10 X64 Pro, Track IR, TM Warthog, TM MFDs, Saitek Pro Flight Rudders
Erdem Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 This looks like a bug to me. Both missiles seem to be tracking their targets.
GGTharos Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 Better yet, do you have a track? Developers can figure out if its a bug from a track - or, what the bug itself is. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Avimimus Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 IRL Mig-29s can be upgraded to simultaneously attack two targets with R-27. However, I was under the impression that switching targets wasn't a possibility in the non-upgraded version (without losing the first missile anyway). I'd personally like a Mig-31. Do they ever engage multiple targets according to ACMI? In real life they can simultaneously launch and guide in all of their missiles on separate targets (four target engagement). However, only about 7% of the English forum population want's to see a Mig-31 before all other interceptors. :(
Boberro Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 Casue MiG-31 is a big cow which is supposed to fly at 15+ km on loooooooooooooooong routes. Typical LO scenario is 100 km between RED and BLUE :D Su-30MKIII would be nicer :P Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
GGTharos Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 IRL Mig-29s can be upgraded to simultaneously attack two targets with R-27. You mean R-77, because with the R-27 that's pretty much a big fat no. There exist a possible particular exception which would result in a particularly low Pk simultaneous shot against a pair of non-maneuvering large aircraft flying pretty much next to each other. I'd personally like a Mig-31. Do they ever engage multiple targets according to ACMI? In real life they can simultaneously launch and guide in all of their missiles on separate targets (four target engagement). However, only about 7% of the English forum population want's to see a Mig-31 before all other interceptors. :( Yep, MiG-31, not so interesting ... its main purpose is to defend mother Russia by shooting down bombers and cruise missiles - not other fighters. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Dudikoff Posted April 20, 2010 Posted April 20, 2010 Yep, MiG-31, not so interesting ... its main purpose is to defend mother Russia by shooting down bombers and cruise missiles - not other fighters. That's a matter of personal preference. I wouldn't mind shelling out a few hundred dollars for the MiG-31 (or the F-14, for that matter) simulated in the DCS. i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
sniffer Posted April 20, 2010 Author Posted April 20, 2010 Can you share this tacview? Also' date=' can you reproduce these events?[/quote'] Tacview Will try to reproduce in operations over Abkhazia ;) But tommorow or later... :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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