Win 7 /Ka50 not OK

[aviador]

I'm running Ka50 patched on 64 bit Win 7 using a Radeon 4670 with Feb 2010 drivers. Not one of the menus shows the Cancel nor OK buttons at the bottom of the screen. Its not a problem of the monitor since I can run the same game on Windows XP without a problem.

I can get round it by using ENTER for OK fro the keyboard. To cancel I have to go to the Win7 thumb-nail and click the exit button. Interestingly the thumbnail shows the buttons are there but unusable. None of this is very elegant and I assume there is a bug.

[Fahhh]

Try tweaking your driver settings in catalyst control center. First try disabling Catalyst A.I.

[Turuk_Makto]

That is definately a win7 related Problem or a bug, it simply appears to be on ur site. I am running Win7 64 bit as well as I can play without any problems. The win7 thing might be up to the grafics card which might not be supported properly, so I would just make a test by using a friends gfx card and see what happens.

[G3]

sounds like the bottom of the screen is being cut off, is this the case?

 

if so then is it possible the in game resolution is set higher than your actual screen resolution, (the vertical part)

check in the options menu and confirm your resolution settings is the same as desktop res in windows

[aviador]

1. Changing the resolution unfortunately doesn't change the resolution of the menus.

 

2. The driver I have loaded is specifically for Win7 64 bit and very recent like Feb tis year.

 

3 I'm notmuch of a tweaker and in the full suite for the card I see atrillion things one can do but not a C.1 disable. Could you be more specific.

[aviador]

Well I stand corrected. I changed the resolution to the maximum and then put it back to 1158 and the next time I loade the program the menu was at 1600 and showing the bottom bar although the resolution shown is still 1158. A miracle:megalol::megalol::megalol:

[aviador]

I spoke too soon. Its gone back to its original state and I tried to remember the sequence of strokes that nade it work but without success. It showa that it is a sort of bug and that the card is able to show it correctly with the right inputs. I'll keep trying.

[Panzertard]

Sorry I dont have any screenshots from the ATI Catalyst AI. (Nvidia in this house).

But from what I know you should open the ATI control panel and look for the option there somewhere.

It should fix any problems you have with the menu - unless you're using the really wrong ATI driver.

 

ATI does have a history of problems with the OpenGL implementation -> DCS.

Catalyst AI changes some of the behaviour.

Changing to a driver which has a more stable OpenGL version regarding DCS is another option.

[aviador]

If OpenGL is a problem can I not use DirectX and if so how?

[Panzertard]

If OpenGL is a problem can I not use DirectX and if so how?

 

No, the game is hardcoded to use OpenGL at the SP-menu system.

The MP menu and the game itself uses DirectX.

So you need to find a way to solve the OpenGL issue - if you can just find the Catalyst AI which we tried to direct you to. :)

[Moa]

Panzertard is correct. The User Interface uses a libraries that are based on OpenGL (check out the bin directory, there is the 'OpenGL Extension Wranger' library glew, and it looks like the OpenGL version of the freetype font rendering library ftgl, IIRC). The game itself uses DirectX. You need both OpenGL and DirectX drivers installed. If you have an ATI or NVidia graphics card then re-installing your driver should ensure both are installed.

 

It is not uncommon for OpenGL to be used in games and graphics libraries, so you ought to install it on your computer. Check out anything from Id (the Quake engine and its descendants) and IL-2.

[ShadowVonChadwick]

I'm running Ka50 patched on 64 bit Win 7 using a Radeon 4670 with Feb 2010 drivers. Not one of the menus shows the Cancel nor OK buttons at the bottom of the screen.

 

Hi aviador..

I'm on Win7 64 with a pair of 4850s 10-2 drivers probably the same as yours.

A few quick questions

1. What is your screen native resolution?
   
2. Have you tried running in window mode with lower rez then in 1 above?
   
3. Stay in Window mode for the next few items.
   
4. As already mentioned "Disable Catalyst" try off, standard, advanced.
   
5. Run with AA low settings with "BOX" option or "Edge Detect" filter.
   
6. Repeat 4 & 5 above but leave AA low (Level at 2 or 4)
   
7. As already mentioned reinstall ATI driver.
   
8. Change Win7 Aero Theme to clasic?
   

There are some new drivers out but be aware they are now in two parts.

Basic driver set + reference file for driver/game "under the hood" settings.

Haven't seen the need to try them yet

 

I haven't had any menu/UI problems with LockOn, BS or FC2 but I do with Free Falcon5 (Falcon4) and it uses openGL for its UI as BS does. (NO AA with low Catalyst AI helps Falcon)

 

Hope some thing there helps......Shad

[aviador]

No, the game is hardcoded to use OpenGL at the SP-menu system.

The MP menu and the game itself uses DirectX.

So you need to find a way to solve the OpenGL issue - if you can just find the Catalyst AI which we tried to direct you to. :)

No luck in finding a solution. My view is that as hadware is more expensive than games the game manufacturers have reponsibility to ensure their programs function with major card manufacturers or state otherwise. So far I have had absolutely no suppor from DCS other than to say install the latest drivers. Pity because it is such an excellent simulation.:cry:

[EtherealN]

Aviador, the problem is when hardware manufacturers introduce non-standard functions and faulty support in their drivers. What you ask for in that case would be to have software developers deviate from standards - and the absolute mess that would result from that would not be pretty.

 

Remember that the possible permutations of a PC configuration are almost endless. It is quite simply impossible to test them all - developers have to rely on industry standards. Unfortunately, not all hardware manufacturers keep themselves to standards - in some cases not even their own standards (for example some of Microsofts input devices have issues with DirectInput, which is a standard developed and maintained by Microsoft itself).

[Fahhh]

Here is where you can find the Catalyst A.I. setting

 

 

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[aviador]

Here is where you can find the Catalyst A.I. setting

 

 

 

 

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Thanks. I disabled A1 (now I know what you are talking about) Didn't change anything unfortunately. Can I not use the keyboard? I know that ENTER is OK - how about cancel and the resr?

[aviador]

Hi aviador..

I'm on Win7 64 with a pair of 4850s 10-2 drivers probably the same as yours.

A few quick questions

1. What is your screen native resolution?
   
2. Have you tried running in window mode with lower rez then in 1 above?
   
3. Stay in Window mode for the next few items.
   
4. As already mentioned "Disable Catalyst" try off, standard, advanced.
   
5. Run with AA low settings with "BOX" option or "Edge Detect" filter.
   
6. Repeat 4 & 5 above but leave AA low (Level at 2 or 4)
   
7. As already mentioned reinstall ATI driver.
   
8. Change Win7 Aero Theme to clasic?
   

There are some new drivers out but be aware they are now in two parts.

Basic driver set + reference file for driver/game "under the hood" settings.

Haven't seen the need to try them yet

 

I haven't had any menu/UI problems with LockOn, BS or FC2 but I do with Free Falcon5 (Falcon4) and it uses openGL for its UI as BS does. (NO AA with low Catalyst AI helps Falcon)

 

Hope some thing there helps......Shad

 

Well I have tried all your suggestions except the Window theme (are you serious and is there such a thing?) and the repeated running with a diffferent resolution My screen is set at ist max 1600 x1050 I have tried chaging that and all it does is mess up my icons. I actually tried Win logo +- since win logo ++ xooms in- I need to xoom out. I0m goin to try running FSX on a high resolution to see if thay will unstick something- I can fly with ENTER from the keyboard but how do U get the other button's corresponding keys?

[aviador]

Well I have tried all your suggestions except the Window theme (are you serious and is there such a thing?) and the repeated running with a diffferent resolution My screen is set at ist max 1600 x1050 I have tried chaging that and all it does is mess up my icons. I actually tried Win logo +- since win logo ++ xooms in- I need to xoom out. I0m goin to try running FSX on a high resolution to see if thay will unstick something- I can fly with ENTER from the keyboard but how do U get the other button's corresponding keys?

 

Well it works:music_whistling::music_whistling::music_whistling:I exit FSX and go straightinto Ka59 and the menus are at 1680 by 1050 and I have all the buttons. Unfortunately once I exit ut returns to its old state.:(:(

 

I guess that means (unless one of you experts can reason it out) I guess that means I0ll have to make a short trip out of London City airport before I get intomy helicopter.:pilotfly::pilotfly::pilotfly:

[aviador]

Well I have tried all your suggestions except the Window theme (are you serious and is there such a thing?) and the repeated running with a diffferent resolution My screen is set at ist max 1600 x1050 I have tried chaging that and all it does is mess up my icons. I actually tried Win logo +- since win logo ++ xooms in- I need to xoom out. I0m goin to try running FSX on a high resolution to see if thay will unstick something- I can fly with ENTER from the keyboard but how do U get the other button's corresponding keys?

 

Well it workks. Running FSX at maximum res, exiting and then going into Ka50 my menus are at 1680 by 1050 and I have all the buttons:):):)

 

But ofif I exit and then go back in the old problem returns:(:(:(

 

Does this mean I have to run FSX before I run Ka50? Is this another dastardly Microsoft trick?:music_whistling::music_whistling::music_whistling:

 

If soI'll just have to fly out of Lodon City before I climb into my helicopter - that is unless one of you can understand why.:pilotfly::pilotfly::pilotfly::pilotfly:

[ShadowVonChadwick]

Hi aviador..Ill try again with more detail..

I'm on Win7 64 with a pair of 4850s 10-2 drivers probably the same as yours.

 

 

Dont change your desktop resolution if its at native rez for your LCD. If not set to native make it so.

 

What is FXS ??

1. What is your screen native resolution? Mine is 1920x1200 so my desktop is set to same, i usualy run BS/FC2 at the same rez.
   
2. Have you tried running BS/FC2 in window mode (a setting in BS/FC2 Options/Graphics theres a check box "Full Screen" make shore its UNCHECKED. Now in the RESOLUTION dropdown chose 1024x768. Hit ENTER if you cant see the OK button, Esc for CANCLE) The sim should restart within a "window" on your desk top. Can you now access the OK CANCEL buttons ????????????
   
3. If 2 works now try with RESOLUTION dropdown at your LCDs native
   
4. Stay in Window mode for the next few items.
   
5. As already mentioned "Disable Catalyst" try off, standard, advanced. Video card (GPU) setting as explained by Fahhh
   
6. Run with AA low settings with "BOX" option or "Edge Detect" filter.
   
7. Repeat 5 & 6 above but leave AA low (Level at 2 or 4)
   
8. As already mentioned reinstall ATI driver.
   
9. Change Win7 Aero Theme to clasic? Do I need to explain Windows themes ??
   

I haven't had any menu/UI problems with LockOn, BS or FC2 but I do with Free Falcon5 (Falcon4) and it uses openGL for its UI as BS does. (NO AA with low Catalyst AI helps Falcon)

 

Hope some thing there helps......Shad

Edited April 26, 2010 by ShadowVonChadwick

[aviador]

Hi aviador..Ill try again with more detail..

I'm on Win7 64 with a pair of 4850s 10-2 drivers probably the same as yours.

 

 

Dont change your desktop resolution if its at native rez for your LCD. If not set to native make it so.

 

What is FXS ??

1. What is your screen native resolution? Mine is 1920x1200 so my desktop is set to same, i usualy run BS/FC2 at the same rez.
   
2. Have you tried running BS/FC2 in window mode (a setting in BS/FC2 Options/Graphics theres a check box "Full Screen" make shore its UNCHECKED. Now in the RESOLUTION dropdown chose 1024x768. Hit ENTER if you cant see the OK button, Esc for CANCLE) The sim should restart within a "window" on your desk top. Can you now access the OK CANCEL buttons ????????????
   
3. If 2 works now try with RESOLUTION dropdown at your LCDs native
   
4. Stay in Window mode for the next few items.
   
5. As already mentioned "Disable Catalyst" try off, standard, advanced. Video card (GPU) setting as explained by Fahhh
   
6. Run with AA low settings with "BOX" option or "Edge Detect" filter.
   
7. Repeat 5 & 6 above but leave AA low (Level at 2 or 4)
   
8. As already mentioned reinstall ATI driver.
   
9. Change Win7 Aero Theme to clasic? Do I need to explain Windows themes ??
   

I haven't had any menu/UI problems with LockOn, BS or FC2 but I do with Free Falcon5 (Falcon4) and it uses openGL for its UI as BS does. (NO AA with low Catalyst AI helps Falcon)

 

Hope some thing there helps......Shad

Sorry FSX snag is that when I play at my maximum resolution as soon as I come out to a menu it reverts back to low res for the menus. Still I can live with it but not good.

My max res for my Samsung is 1680 by 1050.

I¿ll try your suggestions and report back. Its now academic but still worth resolving for the next person who has the same problem-

Thanks Shad

[aviador]

Well nothing if not consistent. I have installed FC2 and the problemd with low resolution for the menu pages is identical to BS so I can assume that there is a problem between the dcs engine and the ATI card and/or Win7. I can live with it.

[ShadowVonChadwick]

Well nothing if not consistent. I have installed FC2 and the problemd with low resolution for the menu pages is identical to BS so I can assume that there is a problem between the dcs engine and the ATI card and/or Win7. I can live with it.

 

Sorry your having problems,sounds like one of those things that reveal itself oneday. But remember if your walking uphill for long enough eventualy you get to the down slope.

 

Cheers .....Shad

 

PS You said you had ATI feb 2010 drivers ...but are they win7 whql, drivers from card vendor or Catalyst 10.2 from ATI/AMD ?????

EtherealN touched on this but didnt ask the question we both missed.

Edited April 29, 2010 by ShadowVonChadwick

[aviador]

Sorry your having problems,sounds like one of those things that reveal itself oneday. But remember if your walking uphill for long enough eventualy you get to the down slope.

 

Cheers .....Shad

 

PS You said you had ATI feb 2010 drivers ...but are they win7 whql, drivers from card vendor or Catalyst 10.2 from ATI/AMD ?????

EtherealN touched on this but didnt ask the question we both missed.

I think I went to Radeon and ended up with ATI. Antway there were a lot of drivers for the different models.

But here is another curiosoty. I have now installed both BS and LO FC" with downloads. Both games exhibit the same problem with menus at minimum resolution BUT!!!when I go to multiplayer both show the complete menus at max resolution.

CONCLUSION! There is a small bug somewhere bt it is unlikely to be Win 7 nor the card.

[JG11Preusse]

be sure its not an opengl issue........ try "dcs-max" and you will see that the game also works in opengl mode.

 

this game has really problems with amny minor issues ..... some cant start the game, only because an usb stick is connected, i also tried more than 30 hours to get the game working.

 

the game itself works in multiplayer and in singleplayer mode here. single player only when i use dcs-max.

 

with the normal launcher.exe, i cant start the game ... nerver saw the main menue.

 

lock on fc2 works perfect.

 

im waiting for the patch now and i hope that i can use my fully paid game after 1, 2, 3 or 4 month.

 

regards

andi