Hidding in the trees ?

[EtherealN]

However, even merely moderately competent mission designers place units so that none are hiding behind or inside trees from the approach directions that the pilots are supposed to take.

 

Unless their name is Panzertard. Then they do it on purpose so they can hear your terrified screams on TS. :P

[ShadowVonChadwick]

The tree threads crack me up, really trees in a flight sim ? Who would have thought it possable? But ha now I want to run into them ????:doh:

 

Sorry there was sarcasm involved ,,my apologies

Edited April 27, 2010 by ShadowVonChadwick

[EtherealN]

It's not so much a question of wanting to run into them - more about enemy MANPAD, triple-A and SAM munitions being able to fly straight through them. :P

 

Though in my own experience it is only with rarity that this is an actual problem.

[Bucic]

If you fly low and slow a patch of trees can obstruct your view on 30% of the battlefield and every single bad guy on these 30% of battlefield will be able to shoot at you. Area defense track file included in DCS default install is a good example. I mean playing it as a mission, not watching it.

[JimMack]

Right, but this is Georgia, not Afghanistan.

 

There are trees here, and enemies can hide behind them and shoot you while you are unable to see them. However, even merely moderately competent mission designers place units so that none are hiding behind or inside trees from the approach directions that the pilots are supposed to take. This offsets some of the negative effects of the see-through trees, but it still is a problem. It isn't a game-killer for most people, but I respect those that feel it is for them.

 

Actually, in Helmand province in Afghanistan around the river, there are a lot of trees. Insurgents with HMG and/or RPGs hide there and you can not see them, but they can see you and shoot at you.

In Summer, it is even worse. The surrounding crops are over 3m high, and they can see you, but from a helo you can not see them. For troops trying to clear a field, it is a nightmare, with visibilty of 1m.

 

For an understanding of the problem for a helo pilot, and tactics to use, suggest you read Ed Macy's 2 books of his experience as an Apache pilot in Helmand province.

[Ramstein]

Actually, in Helmand province in Afghanistan around the river, there are a lot of trees. Insurgents with HMG and/or RPGs hide there and you can not see them, but they can see you and shoot at you.

In Summer, it is even worse. The surrounding crops are over 3m high, and they can see you, but from a helo you can not see them. For troops trying to clear a field, it is a nightmare, with visibilty of 1m.

 

For an understanding of the problem for a helo pilot, and tactics to use, suggest you read Ed Macy's 2 books of his experience as an Apache pilot in Helmand province.

Uses cookie cutters..

 

no more of that BS..

:music_whistling:

[Sarge55]

Wouldn't go over well with the people you are trying to support by destroying their livelyhood. So as usual it falls to the infantry to seize and hold the ground.

 

Sorry, back on subject I try to rely on the hills and ridges and ignore the trees.

[JimMack]

Wouldn't go over well with the people you are trying to support by destroying their livelyhood. So as usual it falls to the infantry to seize and hold the ground.

 

Sorry, back on subject I try to rely on the hills and ridges and ignore the trees.

 

As I posted a while back in another thread, at LLTM I saw an experienced Lynx/Apache pilot fly Black Shark against an A-10A, guns only. Very interesting to see the helo tactics used (hills, ridges, valleys). It took quite a bit of time before the A-10 finally got him, and even then the A-10 had taken quite a few hits.

[ShadowVonChadwick]

I do understand the AI issues but I'm just happy to have tree cover. Collision detection for trees will be hard to implement unless approached from "area" view point rather then per tree basis. Not imposable but do we have the CPU cycles to deal with it ??

I noticed they seem to have changed collison for HT Tranmission cables from BS values.

Liked the "Tree Shader Mod 2.0" for LockOn.

Edited April 28, 2010 by ShadowVonChadwick