Flanker/Mig radar question

[RIPTIDE]

I have questions, that I'd like answers to. :)

 

1. When one has a radar lock, sometimes when bandit changes aspect I not only loose lock but the radar turns off and leaves me in EOS mode. Other times the radar looses lock but stays on. BTW, this situation will arise if the EOS doesn't pick up the lock.

 

2. In Situations where I loose radar lock on a notching/turning bandit, the EOS picks up the lock. And when the bandit turns head on again, sometimes I have to manually turn on the radar again, to get the radar lock. But... sometimes I don't have to to... it automatically picks up the lock again on radar.

 

Why is this the case and why is there inconsistency?

[Boberro]

I have questions, that I'd like answers to. :)

 

1. When one has a radar lock, sometimes when bandit changes aspect I not only loose lock but the radar turns off and leaves me in EOS mode. Other times the radar looses lock but stays on. BTW, this situation will arise if the EOS doesn't pick up the lock.

 

Perhaps... EOS can't pick up target cause it is beyond its limits? (I mean often in closer fight from high alt [you] to low alt [enemy] you loose radar lock and EOS can't pick up target - enemy is beyond its limits)

 

2. In Situations where I loose radar lock on a notching/turning bandit, the EOS picks up the lock. And when the bandit turns head on again, sometimes I have to manually turn on the radar again, to get the radar lock. But... sometimes I don't have to to... it automatically picks up the lock again on radar.

 

Why is this the case and why is there inconsistency?

 

Yes I don't know why... this is very frustrating. Don't know if it has been made correctly at all.

[RIPTIDE]

Perhaps... EOS can't pick up target cause it is beyond its limits? (I mean often in closer fight from high alt [you] to low alt [enemy] you loose radar lock and EOS can't pick up target - enemy is beyond its limits)

I agree this can happen. But it doesn't explain the problem, or rather the inconsistency. ie. WHy does sometimes the radar stay on, and other times it stays off? Is it a case of a split second EOS lock/looselock?

 

 

Yes I don't know why... this is very frustrating. Don't know if it has been made correctly at all.

I had an idea... that maybe the EOS lock was more secure than the radar lock (maybe the target was ABing)? I don't know frankly....

 

I wonder are my problems due to target dispensing flares and chaff while turning? It wouldn't be a problem as long as I knew the logic behind it.

[Teknetinium]

Exactly RIPTIDE it seems you are exploring Russian radar work. This is old problem and has been mentioned before, as numerous other things concerning Russian birds.

 

Dont worry RIPTIDE soon we all fly F-18 DCS-JANSE-GAMES again in those fancy campaigns where you always win :)

Edited August 21, 2010 by Teknetinium

[RIPTIDE]

Exactly RIPTIDE it seems you are exploring Russian radar work. This is old problem and has been mentioned before, as numerous other things concerning Russian birds.

 

Dont worry RIPTIDE soon we all fly F-18 DCS-JANSE-GAMES again in those fancy campaigns where you always win :)

lol. :)

 

But anyway. I just had a game where I fired a ER at a A-10A. And the second situation appllied. I lost radar lock, went to EOS 'T', and then failed to reacquire radar until I hit the radar key. Turns out that I might be right in my assumption about countermeasures, chaff etc. He chaffed the missile successfully, which more than likely means my radar lost lock (but went to EOS lock) and then required me to activate the radar.

 

[RIPTIDE]

Man... does nobody like me? Maybe if I'll say "Mig > F15C" I might get a reply in 5 seconds?

 

Anyway, Mig29 > F15C.

[asparagin]

lol. :)

 

But anyway. I just had a game where I fired a ER at a A-10A. And the second situation appllied. I lost radar lock, went to EOS 'T', and then failed to reacquire radar until I hit the radar key. Turns out that I might be right in my assumption about countermeasures, chaff etc. He chaffed the missile successfully, which more than likely means my radar lost lock (but went to EOS lock) and then required me to activate the radar.

 

 

..yeah but the fact that the radar shuts down it's not ok, it's a bug. I complained also long time ago.

[asparagin]

Dont worry RIPTIDE soon we all fly F-18 DCS-JANSE-GAMES again in those fancy campaigns where you always win :)

 

Did I miss something?

[Tailgate]

Can someone confirm if this is a bug? To be honest, I only notice this if the bandit is notching. I attributed it to confusing returns and the radar shuts down. IR mode is engaged as a safety net until you re-acquire with radar. But it is a pain.

[GGTharos]

Hi RIPTIDE, other bugs aside, this may be some strange interaction between the EOS taking over and radar memory mode - ie. the mode where in STT the radar continues looking for the target after lock is dropped, with the blinking target circle and all that fun stuff.

 

I don't recall the exact mechanization of these two systems in the real jet, so I cannot tell to what degree this behavior is/is not realistic.

[combatace]

Woh man!! I did post the same thing a few days back, got such weird and harsh replies, I never even felt like looking back to that thread. And ya the question still remains unanswered.

[GGTharos]

Hmm, thread necro. I see.

[Herman]

For me sometimes radar doesnt "want" to be turned on again in this situation immediatly but after a few seconds it can be turned on again -.-.

 

A few seconds that seem to be very long.

[Boberro]

After thinking... I guess it is LO... better wait to DCS Flanker to get things have properly.

[combatace]

11 months wait even if it chosen right after a-10c.

[Frostie]

I have questions, that I'd like answers to. :)

 

1. When one has a radar lock, sometimes when bandit changes aspect I not only loose lock but the radar turns off and leaves me in EOS mode. Other times the radar looses lock but stays on. BTW, this situation will arise if the EOS doesn't pick up the lock.

 

2. In Situations where I loose radar lock on a notching/turning bandit, the EOS picks up the lock. And when the bandit turns head on again, sometimes I have to manually turn on the radar again, to get the radar lock. But... sometimes I don't have to to... it automatically picks up the lock again on radar.

 

Why is this the case and why is there inconsistency?

It has everything to do with your PRF mode, if you lose lock your EOS will keep the lock and your radar will automatically try to reaquire the target.

 

What can happen here is that you can be too hasty to turn the radar back on again (thinking it has switched off for some strange reason) and end up dropping the lock all together.

What you should do is wait for an automatic reaqusition by cycling through the PRF modes (which mode your in is not visible, but switching while locked on does change your PRF) or if that fails reset your radar with Ctrl+I, which will reset your PRF to 'Interleaved'. It does all this while keeping an EOS lock. Only when an instant reaqusition doesn't happen should you then switch the radar on.

 

Though it seems unrealistic, selecting the right PRF mode while you have a lock is beneficial if you don't want your lock dropped, it is most likely to get dropped when in High and the bandit tries to notch you.

[RIPTIDE]

It has everything to do with your PRF mode, if you lose lock your EOS will keep the lock and your radar will automatically try to reaquire the target.

 

What can happen here is that you can be too hasty to turn the radar back on again (thinking it has switched off for some strange reason) and end up dropping the lock all together.

What you should do is wait for an automatic reaqusition by cycling through the PRF modes (which mode your in is not visible, but switching while locked on does change your PRF) or if that fails reset your radar with Ctrl+I, which will reset your PRF to 'Interleaved'. It does all this while keeping an EOS lock. Only when an instant reaqusition doesn't happen should you then switch the radar on.

 

Though it seems unrealistic, selecting the right PRF mode while you have a lock is beneficial if you don't want your lock dropped, it is most likely to get dropped when in High and the bandit tries to notch you.

As I responded later in this thread, chaff has an effect also. Missile impact on the target also seems to have an effect, I've learned. But there is inconsistency. It has happened on front aspect locks where I loose a lock as he does a 360 (but keeps the EOS lock) and still have to turn on the radar again as he faces me. I understand the prf modes, but prf modes does not address the inconsistency.

[FLANKERATOR]

Never had such issue before, providing you adapt quickly prf mode to contact aspect. of course radar drops lock easily at long distance. And a small part of inconsistency is also part of the game just like in real. Personaly, I've noticed that radar sometimes not able to display a contact even though am scanning at the right altitude and prf.