VTJS17_Fire Posted August 23, 2010 Posted August 23, 2010 (edited) Hi, I know the Soviets exports a few MiG-29 to Iraqi Air Force in the late 1980s. And I read a Russian source about a Panavia Tornado kill by a MiG-29 with a R-27R. - But, which MiG-29 version did the Soviets exactly export to Iraq? - And which Loadout did these MiGs had? Maybe R-27ER, too? I read, too, these MiGs couldn't load R-73 anyway. Thanks for help. kind regards, Fire PS: No Wiki sources ... please. :D EDIT: F/A-18 issue fixed. Edited August 23, 2010 by VTJG17_Fire Hardware: Intel i5 4670K | Zalman NPS9900MAX | GeIL 16GB @1333MHz | Asrock Z97 Pro4 | Sapphire Radeon R9 380X Nitro | Samsung SSDs 840 series 120GB & 250 GB | Samsung HD204UI 2TB | be quiet! Pure Power 530W | Aerocool RS-9 Devil Red | Samsung SyncMaster SA350 24" + ASUS VE198S 19" | Saitek X52 | TrackIR 5 | Thrustmaster MFD Cougar | Speedlink Darksky LED | Razor Diamondback | Razor X-Mat Control | SoundBlaster Tactic 3D Rage ### Software: Windows 10 Pro 64Bit [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
nscode Posted August 23, 2010 Posted August 23, 2010 If they couln't cary R-73, it's the ealiest versions, that could only cary R-27R and R-60M (from before R-73 was fielded). Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
JLZ Posted August 23, 2010 Posted August 23, 2010 It was Mig-29, Export version B (9.12B, Serie 5B from Fulcrum-A version) - downgraded N019EB radar and a simplified OEPrNK-29E2 targeting/navigation system. Initially, these were armed with R-60 and R-27R (latter with R-73 an R-27R1, but I don't think Iraqi version were upgraded) 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
VTJS17_Fire Posted August 23, 2010 Author Posted August 23, 2010 What's with the ECM capabilities ... also downgraded or like in FC 2.0 MiG-29A not available? kind regards, Fire Hardware: Intel i5 4670K | Zalman NPS9900MAX | GeIL 16GB @1333MHz | Asrock Z97 Pro4 | Sapphire Radeon R9 380X Nitro | Samsung SSDs 840 series 120GB & 250 GB | Samsung HD204UI 2TB | be quiet! Pure Power 530W | Aerocool RS-9 Devil Red | Samsung SyncMaster SA350 24" + ASUS VE198S 19" | Saitek X52 | TrackIR 5 | Thrustmaster MFD Cougar | Speedlink Darksky LED | Razor Diamondback | Razor X-Mat Control | SoundBlaster Tactic 3D Rage ### Software: Windows 10 Pro 64Bit [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
nscode Posted August 23, 2010 Posted August 23, 2010 Isn't R-27R1 the export version of R-27R Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
59th_Buncsi Posted August 23, 2010 Posted August 23, 2010 What's with the ECM capabilities ... also downgraded or like in FC 2.0 MiG-29A not available? kind regards, Fire None of MiG-29A/B/UB has ECM. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
JLZ Posted August 23, 2010 Posted August 23, 2010 Isn't R-27R1 the export version of R-27R It might be a typo (R-27R1 ... R-27RE1). Later in the book, they refer R-xx1 as export versions) No ECM... 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Vekkinho Posted August 23, 2010 Posted August 23, 2010 None of MiG-29A/B/UB has ECM. Second to that no MiG-29A/B/UB had R-27ER capability! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
59th_LeFty Posted August 23, 2010 Posted August 23, 2010 Except Germany (maybe, I only dunno) and Ukraine, Russia exported the 9.12 version of the MiG-29 across the globe, until the wall cam down. Is that correct? And all those came with the capability of using R-73 (all variants) R-60 and R-27R, and had the export version N019E radar. JLZ, what the 'B' stands for in the radar variant? [sIGPIC]http://www.forum.lockon.ru/signaturepics/sigpic5279_1.gif[/sIGPIC] I could shot down a Kitchen :smartass:
JLZ Posted August 23, 2010 Posted August 23, 2010 East Germany and other countries of Warsaw pact have had Export version A. These were better then Export version B. Ukraine was part of Soviet Union so they have full Russian versions. The MiG-29 Fulcrum-A/C is equipped with the SUV-29 (Sh-1 04) combined WCS comprising the RLPK-29 radar targeting suite (based on the Phazotron N019 Rubin fire control radar) and the OEPrNK-29 (S-31) optoelectronic targeting/navigation suite. Export aircraft (izdeliye 9. t 2A and 9.12B) have a downgraded RLPK-29E radar targeting suite (based on the N019EA or N019EB radar respectively) and an OEPrNK-29E2 (S-31 E) optoelectronic targeting/navigation suite. It wasn't just about radar. Complete targeting, navigating and computer systems were downgraded. I can't find citation what was exactly downgraded in technical terms but if you look at what radar/WCS characteristics Russians were constantly developing, one can get idea what was downgraded. These were detection and lock-on ranges, target tracking angles, number of targets that could be tracked at once, ECM resistance, missile guidance (N019M in MiG-29S, 9.13S is capable of guiding 2 missiles to different air threats at a time), CPU, software, weight. As progress has been made, Export version avionics and other accessories become better than that in first versions of Russian MiG29's. But, never as good as Russian actual one's. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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