frogger Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 simple solution to make everyone happy would be to add a feature to allow the host of a server to disable auto start up.
sobek Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 Try this; Battery; inverter; 4 pumps; APU; wait 5 sec; mash down on LAlt+Home and there u have it! Aaaaand you just fried your APU ;) if we just had to worry about service life... Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
ZQuickSilverZ Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 There is an easy mode, it's called LockOn Platinum ;) Best answer ever. :thumbup: I need, I need, I need... What about my wants? QuickSilver original. "Off with his job" Mr Burns on the Simpsons. "I've seen steering wheels / arcade sticks / flight sticks for over a hundred dollars; why be surprised at a 150 dollar item that includes the complexities of this controller?! It has BLINKY LIGHTS!!" author unknown. These titles are listed in the chronological order I purchased them. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Lio Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 Master-Arm switch Up. *Cue automated response macro* Known issue - read the Issues FAQ Sticky thread. Will be rectified in Beta 2. Didn't read FAQ since i guess its a bug, switch dont flip. For the fireing of weapons i found out i haven't loaded any of the modules at ramp start :doh: Since then ive happly been blowing up tanks using CCRP and LGB's Just wish TM would release there new HOTAS anytime soon. Playing this sim with a 8 button joystick is just not possible. Way to much Hands Off Throttle And Stick.
Bucic Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 Dude are you like the Manual Nazi:megalol: chill if the kids can't read just don't answer.:pilotfly: StrongHarm is da man. He's useful for me. He can take part of my hardcore sim nazism so I won't look too nazi :D To be fair, I use the quick start key command too :blush: There, I said it. I can play Black Shark once in two months or so for two days for example so I forget even the basic things (I have to read some of my notes first). In this situation I wouldn't want to be forced to spend my time on learning the startup procedure. Only now I realized that I actually could start BS manually - with the use of printed out checklist hanging on my wall. It didn't cross my mind before, heh :) Two other thoughts: - to 'penalize' the use of autostart cheat ED could make it take longer to finish - DCS modules should come with printable startup checklist with cockpit panel location cues so players could print it out and start doing manual startups from the very first day F-5E simpit cockpit dimensions and flight controls Kill the Bloom - shader glow mod Poor audio Doppler effect in DCS [bug] Trees - huge performance hit especially up close
Oscar Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 A multiplayer option would be nice..... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Ragtag Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 I agree with some here. The simulation genre needs every player it can get, either hardcore or arcade players. Giving both categories what they want will keep the genre alive. Not every gamer wants to buy a game where a 653 page manual has to be read :) I prefer realism but hell, even i use the auto sequence in BS heh :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I7 3930K. 16Gb Corsair Vengeance 1866mhz. Asus P9X79 Deluxe. Asus GTX680 2Gb. Auzentech Home Theater 3D Sound. TM Warthog HOTAS. TM Cougar MFD's. Saitek Flight Pro pedals. TrackIR 5. Samsung Syncmaster P2770FH
sobek Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 A multiplayer option would be nice..... There is, it uses a different executable.:smilewink: Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
Oscar Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 There is, it uses a different executable.:smilewink: Sorry, guess I didn't get my meaning across very well. What I was suggesting was a multiplayer option to force, or not force, the full engine startup sequence in multiplayer. If hosting and you want the session to be full-on, then set the force option for full-sim like squad nights, if you're hosting and goofing around and don't care, then turn it off and allow the auto-start. Stand-alone play wouldn't matter and wouldn't need the option. Just an idea....probalby needs more coffee.... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Panzertard Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 Create / change your mission to Airborne start - voila, and you have easy startups. The mind is like a parachute. It only works when it's open | The important thing is not to stop questioning
GGTharos Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 One guess as to why this is an un-true statement. Flight sims in general are already dead. I'm happily surprised that a company like DCS can still exist. And one as to why this one is not feasible. But in order to continue to exist, you guys need to merge this ultra realistic flight sim with an FPS. Very few people want to play flight sims anymore. But if you take a look at Arma 2, they have a lot of players. DCS should really think about trying to merge with a company like Bohemia Interactive (Arma 2). That is the future for realistic sims. And believe me, sending large groups of ground humping FPS players to the next life all at once with an A-10 is great fun! :music_whistling: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
shackman Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 - DCS modules should come with printable startup checklist with cockpit panel location cues so players could print it out and start doing manual startups from the very first day I agree with Bucic on including a printable startup checklist. So that you have the cockpit layout right there and know where to flip the switches and in what order. And as you do it more you get better and faster at it. And creating a start up checklist wouldn't be hard, just like FC 2 and BS had the tactical map create a checklist like that. Great idea Bucic.:D [sIGPIC]http://www.vrsimulations.com/images/sigbanners/vrs_supporter.png[/sIGPIC]
Bucic Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 I agree with Bucic on including a printable startup checklist. So that you have the cockpit layout right there and know where to flip the switches and in what order. And as you do it more you get better and faster at it. And creating a start up checklist wouldn't be hard, just like FC 2 and BS had the tactical map create a checklist like that. Great idea Bucic.:D With an images not much bigger than this one with highlighted area of interest and it's done. Of course combined with large font, no-delay tooltips with key commands like in Baal's mod for BS. One more thing. This whole 'manual startup is easy' talk made me searching for startup checklists for DCS BS. Boy, that was a chore. No authors name in the filenames, differences between user created, tester created yada yada yada checklists and the checklists in the manual. Conclusion - posting 'checklists' not 100% in compliance with the official one without stating that in big bright red letters in the post and in the filename should be verboten! Conclusion 2 - I already talk like StrongHarm :D I know it's a Warthog forum, just bear with me :) The situation and possible solutions apply to both sims. I found only one checklist for DCS BS with pictures (DaWu's) but I don't know if it is in 100% compliance with the official manual. Anyway, if I will get 1% more inspired to jump into Inkscape again I will start 'doing it'. F-5E simpit cockpit dimensions and flight controls Kill the Bloom - shader glow mod Poor audio Doppler effect in DCS [bug] Trees - huge performance hit especially up close
Bulletstop Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 I honestly believe having both is the right answer. I have a friend that use the cheat in black shark while I went thru and started the shark correctly. I believe it should be about preference. he has no patience while I find it satisfying to bring the bird to life :). Bullet I7 4790K running at 4390 with a gigabyte board with 16 gigs of ram with an Asus gtx 660-ti and 2 tb of hard drive space on 2 wd hard drives. A X-65F Hotas with trackir4 and pro combat peddles. A kick butt home built machine unfortunately running a windows 7 OS.
Bucic Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 I honestly believe having both is the right answer. I have a friend that use the cheat in black shark while I went thru and started the shark correctly. I believe it should be about preference. he has no patience while I find it satisfying to bring the bird to life :). Bullet Did you feel cheated. Did he get an upper hand later in the mission? Was it a spoiler to your enjoyment? Would you even notice without him telling you. No, because you're cool with it :thumbup" Besides, take a look at BS MP servers headcounts. Do they suggest it's OK to be that picky? :music_whistling: As for private/clan/sqdn missions. What happened to gentlemen agreements? Or pinkie swear! :D F-5E simpit cockpit dimensions and flight controls Kill the Bloom - shader glow mod Poor audio Doppler effect in DCS [bug] Trees - huge performance hit especially up close
FlakBait Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 I'd like an auto-start option too. I like having realistic weapons, systems, aircraft etc, but I don't want to spend several minutes starting up the hog every time I want to takeoff. I like having options to skip the more "boring" parts, like starting up, tuning radios etc. It may be a sim, and I may be using the full sim settings, but it is still a game to me.
shackman Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 I honestly believe having both is the right answer. I have a friend that use the cheat in black shark while I went thru and started the shark correctly. I believe it should be about preference. he has no patience while I find it satisfying to bring the bird to life :). Bullet I agree Bullet. I do enjoy starting the bird up, but sometimes I don't have that amount of time and need to go somewhere but just want to get a short mission in before I leave. And having to start up the plane every time would take too long. So I'd like an autostart sequence too. [sIGPIC]http://www.vrsimulations.com/images/sigbanners/vrs_supporter.png[/sIGPIC]
Steel Jaw Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 Read this very carefully: FPS are trash and garbage. Thank GAWD for DCS !!! "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB, monitor: GIGABYTE M32QC 32" (31.5" Viewable) QHD 2560 x 1440 (2K) 165Hz.
shackman Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 Read this very carefully: FPS are trash and garbage. Thank GAWD for DCS !!! Well said mower Those COD 4 MW2 Halo etc are people who don't know how complex real combat in real life is!:P [sIGPIC]http://www.vrsimulations.com/images/sigbanners/vrs_supporter.png[/sIGPIC]
Bucic Posted October 9, 2010 Posted October 9, 2010 (edited) Read this very carefully: FPS are trash and garbage. ...and autostartup cheat is fine. I'm glad we've established both already :D Edit: Check this out :) Ready. Move your lazy asses and do yourself one for A-10 :P Edited October 10, 2010 by Bucic F-5E simpit cockpit dimensions and flight controls Kill the Bloom - shader glow mod Poor audio Doppler effect in DCS [bug] Trees - huge performance hit especially up close
StrongHarm Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 (edited) I'm sure it will contain an autostart. From the manual p402: AIRCRAFT STARTUP PROCEDURES When starting a mission from the parking ramp with all systems shut down (cold aircraft), you will need to learn how to bring the aircraft to life using the startup procedures. Just like in the real aircraft, we suggest a ―flow‖ that allows you to set up your instruments and power-up other systems. The flow described below is the one we suggest, but just like real A-10 pilots, you may create your own that works for you better. After you do this a few times, it will start to feel like second nature. In addition to manually starting up the aircraft, you can also use the automatic start. Oh.. I almost forgot RTMFM!! Edited October 13, 2010 by StrongHarm forgot obligatory RTFM face shout.... It's a good thing that this is Early Access and we've all volunteered to help test and enhance this work in progress... despite the frustrations inherent in the task with even the simplest of software... otherwise people might not understand that this incredibly complex unfinished module is unfinished. /light-hearted sarcasm
digital_steve Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 Well said mower Those COD 4 MW2 Halo etc are people who don't know how complex real combat in real life is!:P ... probably because a majority of people don't join an armed service and get posted into combat. You realise the games you listed are games right? Not life experiences. Is it now a prerequisite to have 'real life combat experience' to use the DCS series? Or play a game that has a gun in it? Or be heard on this forum? Seems to be more and more of this sort of crap popping up. Probably worth bearing in mind that the DCS series is on a computer, so having some auto start feature isn't going to matter much... but because most of the users don't understand how complex real combat can be, maybe you're better off joining whatever service will let you fly a A10C? AMD Phenom II 965 BE @ 3.8GHz, 8GB OCZ AMD BE RAM, ATI HD5970 2GB XFX BE @ 875/1215, TM HOTAS Cougar, TM Cougar MFDs, TrackIR 5, CH MFP, GoFlight Switch Panel, iMo Mini-Monster Touch, Mimo 720S, Saitek Pro Flight Headset
Steel Jaw Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 I am going to pretend I do not see this discussion about an "easy" and "quick" start up...:doh: "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB, monitor: GIGABYTE M32QC 32" (31.5" Viewable) QHD 2560 x 1440 (2K) 165Hz.
StrongHarm Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 ... probably because a majority of people don't join an armed service and get posted into combat. You realise the games you listed are games right? Not life experiences. Is it now a prerequisite to have 'real life combat experience' to use the DCS series? Or play a game that has a gun in it? Or be heard on this forum? Seems to be more and more of this sort of crap popping up. Probably worth bearing in mind that the DCS series is on a computer, so having some auto start feature isn't going to matter much... but because most of the users don't understand how complex real combat can be, maybe you're better off joining whatever service will let you fly a A10C? I think what he's trying to say is that there are a lot of people who have been misled by COD and similar games into believing that employing military hardware is like using power tools... "just run in blasting.. HAH HA! Blood blood..." DCS:A10C may be 'on the computer' but it was originally designed as a training tool for real Warthog pilots. Realistic flight sims give you THE best perspective into how we as a country deal with the bad guy.. smart, efficient, deadly. We spend millions on a single missile so we can take the bad guys out with precision to prevent civilian casualties (while the enemy uses our civilians as bombs). There's an inherent complexity in that. Did you really say "a game with a gun in it?" ROFL.. If people purchase this sim to 'play a game with a gun in it' that's a good thing. They'll get through page two of the manual, give up after 3 flight hours to go back to an FPS, and ED will get some hard earned funds to continue their brilliant work. It's a good thing that this is Early Access and we've all volunteered to help test and enhance this work in progress... despite the frustrations inherent in the task with even the simplest of software... otherwise people might not understand that this incredibly complex unfinished module is unfinished. /light-hearted sarcasm
blahdy Posted October 13, 2010 Posted October 13, 2010 I think if they include auto-startup cheat like they did in BlackShark, it should be disabled in multiplayer, only available in local client. Knowing how to startup your plane and being able to do it over and over is very fun part of the game (and you get to learn more about the very systems you are turning on and off on daily basis) and I think enabling cheat for multiplayer would just spoil the gameplay. Honestly, I love the current manual start-up of A-10C. First it took me a while, but after getting used to it, now I can start the plane up in like 3-5 minutes rapidly (bypass all tests, just go straight up start). I'm a rookie and I die or eject a lot and that means I have to start and restart lot of times in a mission... I've gotten so used to it now that it is starting to feel like starting up a car than an air plane at this point, lol. Really, it's simple: 1. Turn on battery ; set inverter 2. Turn on fuel pumps, turn on fuel flow switches 3. Turn up APU ; turn on oxygen supply ; close canopy ; turn on APU AC power 4. ENG1 Start and wait for engine rpm/temp to stabilize, if you are in a hurry, just wait for the engine-startup trouble light to go out on the panel 5. Uncage SAI, Switch on anti-skid; Set SAS L, R switches on 6. Turn on CDU, EGI, IFCC (switch it on twice to go directly to on mode, bypass test), CICU, JTRS 7. Press and hold take-off trim for a sec 8. ENG2 Start and wait for engine to stabilize 9. Load all DTS on MFD 10. VHF1, VHF2, UHF radios on/TR, set squelch on if hearing noises 11. Load flight plan on CDU/EGI console 12. Turn off APU AC power; turn off APU 13. Pinkie button on your joystick to enable nosewheel steering. 14. Turn on EAC (though I generally turn this on after I take off, because EAC seems to dampen my ability to keep myself centered on runway or I'm doing something else wrong during take off) 15. Turn on CMS (countermeasures) systems. If you're so lazy like me, just turn on the MAWS/CMSP to fully-auto and let it deal with missiles by itself. 16. Go to DSMS on MFD, go to Missile Control and turn on Maverick E0 to align. You can do this later when fencing in but I prefer to have this done earlier..
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