RogueRunner Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 Was stuffing around and this happened. Lost airspeed indications so I guess the pitot system is on that side. Of course I could have jettisoned the other ordnance and also pay more attention to the indexor for speed but I didn't, all hindsight :music_whistling: I really had to fight her all the time and was trimmed all the way left. Nice detail when I deployed flaps was due to all that lift to left trim made the aircraft roll violently and I was fighting the trim switch again. The outcome is not pretty! NOT FOR SENSITIVE VIEWERS!!! With the price of ammunition these days do not expect a warning shot.
Bucic Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 (edited) Almost no rudder input? I think it may be another 'WIP thing' ;) An aircraft in such a fresh configuration should be controllable (settle down) only with left bank and right rudder input. Flaps would be a no go even though the vast majority of flaps surfaces deploy in inward part of both wings which both stayed undamaged in your case. Maybe achievable with max trim and near max controls inputs but there were no indications of such conditions evident in your vid. Pitch, bank and yaw angles were all 'leisure time flying'. Edited October 10, 2010 by Bucic F-5E simpit cockpit dimensions and flight controls Kill the Bloom - shader glow mod Poor audio Doppler effect in DCS [bug] Trees - huge performance hit especially up close
Zenra Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 Well, it looks as though you at least survived, and as the saying goes, "Any landing you walk away from..." Thanks for the video - shows off some nice detail, like the smoke trail from the presumably fuel-fed fire on your wing. Zenra Intel i7 930 2.8GHz; ATI HD5850 1GB; 1TB Serial ATA-II; 12GB DDR3-1333; 24 x DL DVD+/-RW Drive; 800W PSU; Win7-64; TM Warthog HOTAS
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted October 10, 2010 ED Team Posted October 10, 2010 (edited) http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=94207&d=1242969287 http://www.msucity.ru/upload/files/1180/4009441841_g.jpg Edited October 10, 2010 by Yo-Yo Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me
ApacheDoctor Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 Ok few things wrong, and since you were asking for critique, Ill give them for you. On takeoff, make sure you work on rudder control...fortunately you didnt ground loop it, but when you get to higher speeds that sort of rudder yaw like that can end up bad for the aircraft. Part two, when you take off, go into at least a 10-15 degree climb and maintain wings level. Until you get your airspeed off, you have a lot of load factor on the wings and stress. You pull up on it too hard you can be in DEEP doo doo. All right on to your landing, in most cases with half a wing gone like that you are lucky to bring it down. First thing that happens when you lose a vital structure like that is to clean your aircraft so you have the least amount of weight and the cleanest aerodynamic profile possible. Second, you wanna make sure that you cut off fuel from that part of the wing. The reason it was flaming was becuase you had fuel spilling from the tanks or the pumps still active. Shut down those pumps and divert it all to the left tank. It prevents the possibility of being blown. What I did like about your approach is that you approached from the high side, it makes sure you have the altitude you need if you have to eject, a good amount of time to asses your aerodynamic integrity, and the airspeed you need to land safely. So follow those two next time, with the fuel and ordinance. Least amount of weight and the fuel in an area where it wont blow. Hope this helps.
Bucic Posted October 10, 2010 Posted October 10, 2010 http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=94207&d=1242969287 http://www.msucity.ru/upload/files/1180/4009441841_g.jpg Was it an answer to my post? :) F-5E simpit cockpit dimensions and flight controls Kill the Bloom - shader glow mod Poor audio Doppler effect in DCS [bug] Trees - huge performance hit especially up close
power5 Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 (edited) Was that in sim mode? Not even sure how you could scrape the right wing on the ground, then pull up. Would have thought the aircraft would have rolled right first till you reacted and corrected left. Being at ground level, that seems not likely. Nice work bringing it back in that wounded though. I can not believe that corsair from yo-yo's post was flying with all that damage?:shocking: Edited October 11, 2010 by power5 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Aaron i7 2600k@4.4ghz, GTX1060-6gb, 16gb DDR3, T16000m, Track IR5 BS2-A10C-UH1-FC3-M2000-F18C-A4E-F14B-BF109
RogueRunner Posted October 11, 2010 Author Posted October 11, 2010 yeah full sim mode. With the price of ammunition these days do not expect a warning shot.
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted October 11, 2010 ED Team Posted October 11, 2010 Was it an answer to my post? :) Yes, it was. If you take a look at the Avenger you won't see any "extremal" controls deflection. Corsair as I can see had rudder damage but I can not say if it was effective.. Concerning A-10 I can say that sideslip caused by unsymmetrical wings drag tends to roll airplane against the lack of lift decreasing required rudder input. To estimate sideslip-to-roll effectiveness you can perform coordinated sideslip tests with cross controls. If I have spare time I can log the parameteers of steady flight witout 1/4 of the wing to clarify the item. By the way, you can do it yourself using LUA export feature. As far as I know, the same questions were addressed to AnPetrovich as ROF had been released. :) Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me
lubey Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 Are you flying with an X52? I noticed you zoom 'jumps' in and out a little bit due to a noisy axis, my X52 pro does the exact same thing only worse, its so annoying :mad:! SPECS: Intel Core i5 760 @ 3.2 Ghz +turboboost enabled, 12 GB DDR3 1600 @ 1500 Mhz, ATI Radeon 5850, TrackIR 5, X52 Pro and Saitek pedals
RogueRunner Posted October 11, 2010 Author Posted October 11, 2010 Nope, I have a little interference on my TIR5 with another IR source behind me in my room. With the price of ammunition these days do not expect a warning shot.
lubey Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 Ah I see, oh well it doesn't seem too bad for you overall. SPECS: Intel Core i5 760 @ 3.2 Ghz +turboboost enabled, 12 GB DDR3 1600 @ 1500 Mhz, ATI Radeon 5850, TrackIR 5, X52 Pro and Saitek pedals
Bucic Posted October 11, 2010 Posted October 11, 2010 Yes, it was. If you take a look at the Avenger you won't see any "extremal" controls deflection. Corsair as I can see had rudder damage but I can not say if it was effective.. Concerning A-10 I can say that sideslip caused by unsymmetrical wings drag tends to roll airplane against the lack of lift decreasing required rudder input. To estimate sideslip-to-roll effectiveness you can perform coordinated sideslip tests with cross controls. If I have spare time I can log the parameteers of steady flight witout 1/4 of the wing to clarify the item. By the way, you can do it yourself using LUA export feature. As far as I know, the same questions were addressed to AnPetrovich as ROF had been released. :) I don't want to exchange kicks with a horse, as we say in Poland ;) but... - both WW2 aircrafts are propeller driven (slipstream effect to the left from mild to very strong) which gave the pilots a lot in terms of having possibility to compensate for excessive yawing to the right caused by the loss of left wings in both cases. Using the low RPM propeller CSU setting I guess (?). - Avenger: we don't know his airspeed ATM of taking the photo. If it at least in mid range the fuselage itself could take over a lot of authority from the rudder. Also the Avenger's right aileron is slightly deflected which gives minimum yawing to the right too Now, the following facts regarding the recorded A-10 case make me stick to my initial opinion: - the left complete wing inflicts more drag than the right one + the drag of stores + higher arm of both - the outer wing drag force and stores drag force - no evident yawing tendencies despite of the most unfavorable conditions that could ever occur: low speed (low rudder/fuselage yaw stabilizing effectiveness) and deployed wing mechanization I could very well be wrong* here but if so, then I will have to figure this out myself for my own peace of mind :) * for example I may have incorrectly estimated the additional drag penalty from the stores even though they seem to me like a perfect interference drag source but that's all that comes into my mind right now. Please don't mind my 'I don't see it'. It's my problem and you probably have better things to do. If I did made you doubt too you'll have your people test it for you :) I can't as I don't own a DCS W copy. F-5E simpit cockpit dimensions and flight controls Kill the Bloom - shader glow mod Poor audio Doppler effect in DCS [bug] Trees - huge performance hit especially up close
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