Slack Posted October 26, 2010 Posted October 26, 2010 Hey guys, just bought and returned the x65f. I had an allignment problem with the stick. The stick was not properly centered. I was reading that lots of people were having the same problem. Anyone here?? Greets. Slack
Bvoiash Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 Hi Slack, yes I'm having the same problem as well. My X-65F joystick is also not exactly centered but then it's not a big problem in my opinion though. It would be nice if Saitek could come up with a fix for it but currently the deviation from the center is not that big. A small dead zone takes care of it. You should've posted this in Input and Output because probably there you would've gotten more replies considering the topic of this thread :). You can try asking one of the moderator to move it there if you want.
Slack Posted October 28, 2010 Author Posted October 28, 2010 Hmmm roger that, but it's a force sensing stick! if u have an offset to the right and make a deadzon. Wouldn't you need to use more force to steer left then u would to steer right?? That makes the stick very hard to get used to and make teh force sensing useless imo. @moderators. Could u please move this thread to Input and Output. Regards, Slack
Sp00k Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 You can have asymmetric deadzones. Just right click on axis X or Y in Saitek control panel and make sure "Link Deadzones" is unchecked. If one of the axis is completely off center put your stick in the level position, disconnect cable from the stick and then reconnect - works for me. Also depends what force setting you are using (I am using slightly modify F3 which is almost the same as used on F-16) my advise would be to put your hand on the stick and then set up the deadzones because most of the time you will fly with your hand on the stick. Set up your deadzones big enough so when you press i.e. weapon release, plane won't pitch down cause you pushed the stick forward.
Slack Posted October 28, 2010 Author Posted October 28, 2010 Thx for the peplies guys, I've sent the stick back cuz although yuo can indeed do all of this. I have not payed 300 euros for a misalligned stick wich is not allignable. Even my old X45 is still deadcenter and does not need deadzones! So thank you! Any advise bout a new stick?? Slack
Sp00k Posted October 28, 2010 Posted October 28, 2010 Well if don't like X-65F then the choice is obvious (for me at least) - TM Warthog.
Spartan1-1 Posted December 22, 2010 Posted December 22, 2010 X-65F or TM WH Ok... So I'm thinking of going with the x65f vice the TM. I'm getting ready to build a new rig and don't think I could justify the TM right now. I think it looks better, And the quality is unquestionable, but the x65f has a z axis and costs less. Just thinking out loud here, but what suggestions do you guys have? Running a x52 standard for the past 2 years. SPARTAN1-1 Спартанец1-1 Dell XPS 630i / Windows 7 / Intel Core 2 Extreme CPU Q6850 @ 3.00 GHZ / 4 GB Corsair Dominator 1066/ NVIDIA 8800GT X 2 / Track IR 4Pro / X52 + Pedals Dell Studio XPS 1647 / Windows 7 / Intel i7 620 @ 2.67 GHZ / 4 GB RAM / ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4670
Le0kong Posted December 22, 2010 Posted December 22, 2010 Ok... So I'm thinking of going with the x65f vice the TM. I'm getting ready to build a new rig and don't think I could justify the TM right now. I think it looks better, And the quality is unquestionable, but the x65f has a z axis and costs less. Just thinking out loud here, but what suggestions do you guys have? Running a x52 standard for the past 2 years. If you haven't yet, take a look at these two threads: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=60224 http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=62673 AMD Athlon II X2 240 2.8@3360 MHz | MB Asus M4A78-EM | 4GB DDR2-800 Kingston | XFX HD 5770 @850-900/1200-1300 | 500G Samsung HD502HI | Case CM 335 | CM-EPP 460W | Windows 7 Ultimate (64bit) | Saitek X65F | Freetrack(Wii Remote) | LG 23' W2353V
Total Posted December 23, 2010 Posted December 23, 2010 FYI - Saitek is has relased drivers for the X-65 that include calibration for the axis. Whle still not perfect, they are working on the problem. Kind of a pickle at the moment between the X-65 and the Warthog. The X-65's seem to have a number of people with the X axis not being centered (for some it only shows in the windows property screen and not ingame or the Saitek software). The Warthog is suffering sudden deaths and not being recognized by Windows. That and firmware updates that can go wrong and require the stick to be replaced. I'm just sitting back, continuing to use my old trusty X-52 and waiting to see who gets their software/driver/firmware issues worked out first :D
CubusAddendum Posted December 29, 2010 Posted December 29, 2010 FYI - Saitek is has relased drivers for the X-65 that include calibration for the axis. Unless l missing something, the latest drivers for Win7 x64 don't have axis calibration, nor does the X-65F need it if the consensus here is correct: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=64259
Le0kong Posted December 29, 2010 Posted December 29, 2010 They have released beta drivers with a calibration option built-in, but they broke the force settings(don't save anymore) at the same time. :doh: here a link for the forum post with information: http://www.saitekforum.com/showthread.php?t=19468 Direct links: 32b ftp://ftp.saitek.com/pub/software/beta/Saitek_X65F_Flight_Controller_7_0_4_14_32bit_Beta_Drivers.exe 64b ftp://ftp.saitek.com/pub/software/beta/Saitek_X65F_Flight_Controller_7_0_4_14_64bit_Bea_Drivers_.exe PS: They blocked new registrations on the forum, you can get a login via bugmenot.com for now. The amazing technical support from Saitek don't answer email's and now they don't want people complaining in they forum. Unless l missing something, the latest drivers for Win7 x64 don't have axis calibration, nor does the X-65F need it if the consensus here is correct: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=64259 AMD Athlon II X2 240 2.8@3360 MHz | MB Asus M4A78-EM | 4GB DDR2-800 Kingston | XFX HD 5770 @850-900/1200-1300 | 500G Samsung HD502HI | Case CM 335 | CM-EPP 460W | Windows 7 Ultimate (64bit) | Saitek X65F | Freetrack(Wii Remote) | LG 23' W2353V
emenance Posted December 29, 2010 Posted December 29, 2010 FYI - Saitek is has relased drivers for the X-65 that include calibration for the axis. Whle still not perfect, they are working on the problem. Kind of a pickle at the moment between the X-65 and the Warthog. The X-65's seem to have a number of people with the X axis not being centered (for some it only shows in the windows property screen and not ingame or the Saitek software). The Warthog is suffering sudden deaths and not being recognized by Windows. That and firmware updates that can go wrong and require the stick to be replaced. I'm just sitting back, continuing to use my old trusty X-52 and waiting to see who gets their software/driver/firmware issues worked out first :D I hear ya and until SOMEONE makes somthing that can be worth the price tag, im not going to buy A10c even though I should ASAP. Anyway, Im just about to give up on flying for awhile. My Hotas setup is crap and I cant justify investing in new stuff esp since Im not rich. The CH stuff seems to get the less flak and hell im almost willing to go with it ...even though...this or that. Im getting sick of waiting for something worth my money. Ill put the work in but damn, get us something stable to work with! Asus P8Z68-V GEN3/ 2500k 4.4ghz / Corsair 64gb SSD Cache / Corsair 8g 1600 ddr3 / 2 x 320gb RE3 Raid 0 /Corsair 950w/ Zotac 560TI AMP 1gb / Zalman GS1200 case /G940/
Cali Posted December 29, 2010 Posted December 29, 2010 Seems like all these new HOTAS that cost a ton of money are all having problems. Not centered, throttles dead, I'd be a little upset. These companies need to get fixes for this stuff fast. i7-4820k @ 3.7, Windows 7 64-bit, 16GB 1866mhz EVGA GTX 970 2GB, 256GB SSD, 500GB WD, TM Warthog, TM Cougar MFD's, Saitek Combat Pedals, TrackIR 5, G15 keyboard, 55" 4K LED
Bulletstop Posted December 29, 2010 Posted December 29, 2010 I hate to say this, but as far as i have heard ch work all the time everytime, Altho I have had zero issues with my X-65f. Knock on wood. Bullet I7 4790K running at 4390 with a gigabyte board with 16 gigs of ram with an Asus gtx 660-ti and 2 tb of hard drive space on 2 wd hard drives. A X-65F Hotas with trackir4 and pro combat peddles. A kick butt home built machine unfortunately running a windows 7 OS.
ShalashakaDS Posted December 29, 2010 Posted December 29, 2010 (edited) When i intalled the x65f with the drivers from the cd that came with i ended up with a very noticeably uncentered stick, but all i needed to do was to download the drivers from their site and i got a perfectly centered stick and not a single problem after that. Sure, that was way before this new drivers came by, havent checked if you can still find the older versions. Edit:i just re-read Le0Kong post, if the drivers are beta theres still hope lol Edited December 29, 2010 by ShalashakaDS
CubusAddendum Posted December 29, 2010 Posted December 29, 2010 They have released beta drivers with a calibration option built-in, but they broke the force settings(don't save anymore) at the same time. :doh: here a link for the forum post with information: http://www.saitekforum.com/showthread.php?t=19468 Direct links: 32b ftp://ftp.saitek.com/pub/software/beta/Saitek_X65F_Flight_Controller_7_0_4_14_32bit_Beta_Drivers.exe 64b ftp://ftp.saitek.com/pub/software/beta/Saitek_X65F_Flight_Controller_7_0_4_14_64bit_Bea_Drivers_.exe PS: They blocked new registrations on the forum, you can get a login via bugmenot.com for now. The amazing technical support from Saitek don't answer email's and now they don't want people complaining in they forum. Ah nice one. As you can imagine, I can't register on their forum yet so was waiting for a good day to do what they recommend and phone up the UK distro... :megalol: Since my current workaround is effective, I'm going to stay away from those beta drivers for the time being.
CubusAddendum Posted December 29, 2010 Posted December 29, 2010 When i intalled the x65f with the drivers from the cd that came with ... 9 times out of 10, the drivers supplied on media with a peripheral are out of date. :music_whistling:
ShalashakaDS Posted December 29, 2010 Posted December 29, 2010 9 times out of 10, the drivers supplied on media with a peripheral are out of date. :music_whistling: When its not outright incompatible with whatever system you may be using... lol
Whippler Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 i have had the stick on a light use for a while, ones i went to play same A-10, stick was dead. i have kept the throttle connected all the time, but the stick not, cause i put the stick oway from the table while i dont use it. now, when i connect the hole thing to my comp, at first decond it seems right, stick lightens up, after windows detects it, stick goes dead, si is force buttons, and the profile select lights also dead, but throttle works, any ideas?
S77th-konkussion Posted January 31, 2011 Posted January 31, 2011 sounds about like Saitek to me.. Unplug, save your profile to desktop or something.. remove all software .. reboot, reinstall. If that fails- you'll have to contact Saitek to confirm hardware failure, or if there is a problem that they can fix with a firmware update, etc.. [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=43337&d=1287169113[/sIGPIC]
Whippler Posted February 2, 2011 Posted February 2, 2011 contacted a week ago, finally answer.. they are asking lots of stuff, answering them now.. waiting for a week again. edit: if i am getting my money back.. probably buying TM Warthog.
Whippler Posted February 7, 2011 Posted February 7, 2011 i didn't wait for answer from saitek. went to store and got full refund, and bought TM Warthog, even got 8€ back :D now lets hope this thing works.
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