How do you think about this Hardware?

[Pegaso69]

Hello there, i've need to renew my hardware and i WANT to fly with the A10 up to the maximum level of the graphics without stattering, lag, loss of FPS, etc. etc..

Question for the GURU of the Hardware

I thought to these hardware:

 

Mother board - asus rampage 3 extreme

CPU - Intel Core i7 950 3.06Ghz

RAM - 4GB DDR3 clock speed 2200 mhz

Video - Asus Geforce GTX 480 1500 MB

 

You can see my old system in my signature

I leave in my PC only my old HardDisk WD Raptor 10.000 RPM

 

 

What do you think?

 

Thanx

Edited November 23, 2010 by Pegaso69

[gear_monkey]

Hello there, i've need to renew my hardware and i WANT to fly with the A10 up to the maximum level of the graphics without stattering, lag, loss of FPS, etc. etc..

Question for the GURU of the Hardware

I thought to these hardware:

 

Mother board - asus rampage 3 extreme

CPU - Intel Core i7 950 3.06Ghz

RAM - 4GB DDR3 clock speed 2200 mhz

Video - Asus Geforce GTX 480 1500 MB

 

You can see my old system in my signature

I leave in my PC only my old HardDisk WD Raptor 10.000 RPM

 

 

What do you think?

 

Thanx

 

Well I know its been said a billion times but for what its worth........don't think what you see in A10 as it stands represents the final product...

 

With that in mind you would have a great system with those specs.

 

I have this:

AMD phenom II x4 955 Black Edition

eVGA Nvidia 460 GTX OC 1g

4 gigs of ram

Win xp

 

With beta 2 my system would stutter alot around the airport and towns. With beta 3 it runs smooth as silk with everything set on high....I love beta 3.....but I know it is NOT the final product so I don't get all bent around the axle about performance right now.

[Sarge55]

The only other thing I would suggest is to go to a 64bit system, W7 or Vista SP2. It will help will help with the stuttering etc....

[EtherealN]

Depends a lot on what your cost/performance considerations are. For example, I wouldn't expect the RAM clock to have too huge an impact, so if a step down in clock speed there saves you from eating noodles for the rest of the month that's one thing.

 

Also, definitely do not skimp on the power supply unit. Getting a mobo like the Rampage is only called for if you are planning to aggressively overclock, and that does mean you want a performance PSU (both to protect your electricity bills and ensure clean voltage to your OC'd components).

[Steel Jaw]

definitely do not skimp on the power supply unit.

 

Absolutely the best advice ever when building your own system.

 

Go modular if you can afford it for better air circulation. 800 watts min for headroom, heavier the better, brand name.

[EtherealN]

Thought I might as well clarify the "electricity bills" for those that aren't aware, since it does tend to be a majorly overlooked component: PSU's are not 100% efficient (that would sort of violate the laws of theormodynamics I suspect :P ), which means that they will draw more power than your computer actually uses.

 

Example: 75% efficient power supply on a 500 watt computer (which is roughly where most machines end up if they're aggressively overclocked, I'd say) will actually drink 670 watts from your socket. If you're like me and have your computer turned on even while you're asleep, that adds up to a LOT of money over a year that only ends up dissipated as heat. (Though in winter I guess that ain't so bad. :P)

 

I'd say the absolute minimum that even qualifies as acceptable is those that have been rated "80+", though I personally would prefer "80+ Silver" standard. It might add a good chunk to your purchase prices, but you'll get the money back over time. Also having margins on the wattage (headroom as Mower says) is good not only for possible future upgrades to the system - it also gives a headroom for the PSU to deteriorate as they will over time. I've seen 10% max wattage per year of use mentioned, though I've not seen any "real" tests of it.

[Rusty_M]

With a 1366 motherboard, it might be worth looking at 6Gb RAM, assuming you'll be using a 64 bit OS. If you install RAM in multiples of 3 on the Rampage III, you should be able to use it in triple channel mode. Although two identical sticks will still work in dual channel.

[EtherealN]

Good catch! I've been staring myself so blind at the LGA1156 i7's lately that I didn't even think about that.

 

It would definitely be better to run three stick slower but in triple-channel than two faster at dual-channel. And as I mentioned it is in my opinion highly unlikely that you'll notice any advantages to higher clock rates on the RAM anyhow - I suspect the CPU overclock you'd be forced to do to make that happen would be one of those where you're manually applying liquid nitrogen to the CPU to keep it from exploding. :P

[Panzertard]

As for power consumption, just one of the calculators out there:

http://www.antec.outervision.com/

For the efficiency loss over time, see footnote #4:

Electrolytic capacitor aging. When used heavily or over an extended period of time (1+ years) a PSU will slowly lose some of its initial wattage capacity. We recommend you add 20% if you plan to keep your PSU for more than 1 year, or 25-30% for 24/7 usage and 1+ years.

[Pegaso69]

With beta 2 my system would stutter alot around the airport and towns. With beta 3 it runs smooth as silk with everything set on high....I love beta 3.....but I know it is NOT the final product so I don't get all bent around the axle about performance right now.

 

Yes i know that the final version will be better in every way against the Beta versions but I do not think they can improve that much.

Moreover, the difference between the Beta 2 and Beta 3 on the FPS on my system has not changed much I have gained only a few FPS in most, not the flood of FPS that everybody talks about.

If I use the HDR and the TSSA active have a drastic drop in FPS, even if the graphics settings are set to medium and the resolution to 1600 x 1200.

I want the settings to maximum and I want the HDR and the TSSA active because these two factors really make a difference and also I want to use the maximum resolution of 1920 x 1200

unfortunately are now forced to use 1600 x 1200 and even then I have a problem sometimes especially when overflying the city or are under AAA attack or during an explosion ecc ecc ecc.

 

The only other thing I would suggest is to go to a 64bit system, W7 or Vista SP2. It will help will help with the stuttering etc....

 

Yes that correct, I forgot to add that I intend to use Windows 7 64bit

 

Depends a lot on what your cost/performance considerations are. For example, I wouldn't expect the RAM clock to have too huge an impact, so if a step down in clock speed there saves you from eating noodles for the rest of the month that's one thing.

 

Also, definitely do not skimp on the power supply unit. Getting a mobo like the Rampage is only called for if you are planning to aggressively overclock, and that does mean you want a performance PSU (both to protect your electricity bills and ensure clean voltage to your OC'd components).

 

Fortunately I can afford to spend more money for my PC.

and anyway I really like the noddles :smilewink: but also the caviar

As I have a Tagan power supply 650 watt do you think is wrong?

 

With a 1366 motherboard, it might be worth looking at 6Gb RAM, assuming you'll be using a 64 bit OS. If you install RAM in multiples of 3 on the Rampage III, you should be able to use it in triple channel mode. Although two identical sticks will still work in dual channel.

 

Yes.. right and proper ... I add 6 GB per system

 

Thanx very much to all

 

Latest question

Currently in my PC I have a Tagan 650 watt

do you tjhink that i've need to change also Power Supply??

[Pegaso69]

As for power consumption, just one of the calculators out there:

http://www.antec.outervision.com/

For the efficiency loss over time, see footnote #4:

 

Thank you so much Panzertard you're reply has preceded my next question

I wanted to ask if you know a site where you measure the power supply

ahahhahaha :thumbup:

[EtherealN]

Which specific Tagan? Should be able to check it's ratings real quick for you (don't know them by head since I actually never used a Tagan).

[Panzertard]

I entered most of your gear, as well as 4 usb devices a extra PCI card, DVD burner - and it spits out consumption of 538W.

 

EDIT: Hm, I might have been a bit quick - the calc says "Recommended Minimum PSU Wattage is 538W".

In that case it should be okai.

 

With 20% aging it recomends a 640W supply.

Edited November 23, 2010 by Panzertard

[EtherealN]

Panzer, did you enter those numbers for an overclock setting? If that was for stock I'd say the case is 100% closed - definitely need a beefier PSU. Don't want to be borderline on the PSU when buying overclock gear (and seriously, the only real reason to dish out for the ASUS Extreme is to overclock).

 

There are possible extra complications as well in there, like how much power each rail can give, so with a stressed PSU your system might be using a wattage that is lower than what the PSU is rated for, but one specific component still ends up starved. (Overclocking the i7 aggressively might do that for example.)

 

EDIT:

I'd say go for something like a Corsair AX 850w. 80+Gold rated, modular, 12 SATA leads and four 6+2 PCIe connectors to let you modify and add stuff to your hearts content, and it's also pretty affordable.

Edited November 23, 2010 by EtherealN

[Panzertard]

No, no O/C - he will have to test his own setup with different parameters.

Or just buy a bigger PSU just to be sure.

[Pegaso69]

650W is not enough - I entered most of your gear, as well as 4 usb devices a extra PCI card, DVD burner - and it spits out consumption of 534W.

A PSU with 80% efficiency (80-90 is the norm today) will be able to generate 520W.

Over time you will have a loss of effciency as well.

 

I would go for a 800W for your rig - it should be able to last for 3 years unless you plug in too much new gear - or a more powerhungry GPU.

 

EDIT: Hm, I might have been a bit quick - the calc says "Recommended Minimum PSU Wattage is 534W".

In that case it should be okai.

 

Yes i've check and i've need more power of the 600 watt (less or more) because I also have other hardware attached to my PC that I did not write the list in my signature ...

I need a minimum of 600 watts ... so my power supply is not good

i've need 800 watt

:(

Ok dont panic!!!

Edited November 23, 2010 by Pegaso69

[Panzertard]

Yes, (ps, I edited my post - I read the outcome a bit different).

Personally, I would have bought a 750W or 800W supply, for future upgrades - and make sure my PC didn't die on me.

[EtherealN]

EDIT: Hm, I might have been a bit quick - the calc says "Recommended Minimum PSU Wattage is 538W".

In that case it should be okai.

 

Though that depends a bit on exactly how Tagan arrived at the 650 watt rating. I've tried google but failed to find a specification on a 650 watt unit so cannot verify.

[Pegaso69]

Though that depends a bit on exactly how Tagan arrived at the 650 watt rating. I've tried google but failed to find a specification on a 650 watt unit so cannot verify.

 

mmhhhhh... i've an idea before i buy an new power supply, i can test my my current 650watt ... if it does not stand up I will take a new 800 or 750

what do you think?

Now im at work today i post to you the specifications of the Tagan

Edited November 23, 2010 by Pegaso69

[Panzertard]

How old is it and how long have you overclocked it?

1-2 years, it may work.

3 years or more, expect it to not be able to keep up for long.

 

Keep in mind - if a dying or overloaded PSU surges your mainboard or other components, where would that leave you?

[Pegaso69]

How old is it and how long have you overclocked it?

1-2 years, it may work.

3 years or more, expect it to not be able to keep up for long.

 

Keep in mind - if a dying or overloaded PSU surges your mainboard or other components, where would that leave you?

 

Mmhhh ok correct question.

I say to you this:

 

I mostly use the PC to fly with the simulator (Falcon, BS, A10) this is my first use, sometimes I can play Call Of Duty or another but are of less interest and will devote to these very short time.

I will use the PC only at certain times, such moments are at least for the moment regarding the use of A10, Falcon 4 OF and BS, but as you know Falcon do not need some overclocking ehehheh

Please note that the strength of the Asus Rampage Extreme III is the fact that it can be overclocked via cell phone through bluetooth in real time very nice eh??! (So say the technical specifications of the motherboard)

The rest of the time I'll use the PC in normal mode is not overclocked.

my PC will work in Overclock mode to 4 from 6 hours (approx.) during an week.

And maybe with the final realease of the A10 I will not even need to overclock it... i hope.

[Succellus]

Well i have the same question for power supply my gig will be the same as you extreme 3 gene, 750, 6 giga of dual channel put to work on tripple channel +1, WINDOWS 7 64, my GPU will be less it ll be a GTX 460 1gb MSI HAWK.

And i intend to overclock but not crazily, bring the 650 to 3.5.

 

Well i think all have been said, what i would add this:

Don t bother with tripple channel buy, its as it has been discussed here 80% marketing the rest is luck. So 6gb dual channel of all memory being the exact same model of the same brand is enought.

[KaspeR32]

I saw this "combo" and seemed similar to what you were looking for.

 

Lower clock speed on RAM (1600MHz) and not the Rampage III mobo either.

 

Seems like a pretty solid package though.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.518975

 

-i7-950

-6 gig corsaire dominator 1600 mhz ram

-sabertooth x58 mobo

-900w 80 plus gold certified power

-WD caviar black 1 TB harddrive

[Pegaso69]

I saw this "combo" and seemed similar to what you were looking for.

 

Lower clock speed on RAM (1600MHz) and not the Rampage III mobo either.

 

Seems like a pretty solid package though.

 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.518975

 

-i7-950

-6 gig corsaire dominator 1600 mhz ram

-sabertooth x58 mobo

-900w 80 plus gold certified power

-WD caviar black 1 TB harddrive

 

Thank you Kasper and thank to all for your nice reply

your consuel are precious

 

hei Kasper but you've the system that you can show me?

you've try it with A10 SIM?

[KaspeR32]

 

hei Kasper but you've the system that you can show me?

you've try it with A10 SIM?

 

I don't have this system currently no. I have a Q6600 also and I'm looking to upgrade myself. I'm not sure whether to go with an 1366 i7 or something a little cheaper like a 1156 i5 build.

 

I really like the build that I posted for you but it's getting to be a bit over my price range. If anyone knows any shortcuts I can take that would be much appreciated.

 

I don't really plan on overclocking so I'm never really sure which hardware is worth the money or where I can save since I'm not OCing.

 

Also is it even worth upgrading right now? Will I experience a huge jump from a quad core Q6600 2.4Ghz to an i5 or i7?

 

Current system:

 

Q6600

6 GB 800Mhz Ram

Radeon 5770 1 GB

Win 7 64-bit