WARNING - TM WH Modders

[ilikepie]

Well.. 9mm + 150 round is probably better than my single katana, wont even count the wanna be survival sec ops battle knive. Warthog isn t home yet :D

 

I'd roll with the Katana or naganata

[Toadster]

Dear God man! Why in BLAZES did you feel the need to MOD the Warthog!?

[Fepedushalusa]

WARNING TM WH Modders

 

WARNING to OPERA Users.Carry on as normal and laugh your socks off at Microsoap.Didnt your mother tell you that Opera is the only broswer that has the same cute looks as Monkey and is as efficient.

[Cali]

Dear God man! Why in BLAZES did you feel the need to MOD the Warthog!?

 

Because for some people it still has problems, others want to extend it and so forth.

[Teej]

Actually contrary to my previous statements there's one thing I'm debating whether to mod or learn to adapt to.

 

I want more throw "pre-afterburner detent" and less after. Might have to shorten up the detent rails on that drop in piece. :P

 

It's either that or get used to flying burner jets without detent. :P

[aaron886]

It's either that or get used to flying burner jets without detent. :P

 

Which sucks a lot... I modded my CH Throttle with fair success. Better than nothing anyway.

[Teej]

What kinda bums me out is how well set up my Cougar throttle was. Of course now I wanna keep the extra functionality....but I never even had to tweak/set the detent spot on it - it was perfect in FC1/FC2.

 

With the detent where it is...subjectively it feels like there's about 2mm throw from 70% to 90%. (Not true of course, but it feels like it). I'm seriously thinking about trying to tweak that piece...or even get an aluminum piece machined with about 1/3-1/2 of the afterburner zone.

[aaron886]

I was under the impression you could tweak axis ranges in Foxy at the least...!

[Teej]

Well..you can (I'm assuming you meant TARGET)...but...

 

Just pulling out numbers as an example...these probably don't resemble the real numbers in anything more than concept...

 

Let's say the Cougar and Warthog throttles both had 90 degrees of movement. With the Cougar, the detent came after, say, 80 degrees. With the Warthog the detent hits at, say, 45.

 

Thus, your dry thrust is constrained to ~ half of the travel of the throttle instead of ~ 90%. Harder to make small power changes.

[some1]

Let's say the Cougar and Warthog throttles both had 90 degrees of movement. With the Cougar, the detent came after, say, 80 degrees. With the Warthog the detent hits at, say, 45.

 

Thus, your dry thrust is constrained to ~ half of the travel of the throttle instead of ~ 90%. Harder to make small power changes.

 

Just to give real numbers, because you exaggerated a bit:

 

In Warthog physical detents are at 80%.

FC2 engages afterburner at 95%.

 

 

I was under the impression you could tweak axis ranges in Foxy at the least...!

 

Yes, you can adjust the axis to your liking. Adjusting throttles to match afterburner detents in a sim is specifically explained in manual.

[Teej]

Just to give real numbers, because you exaggerated a bit:

 

In Warthog physical detents are at 80%.

FC2 engages afterburner at 95%.

 

Well, no.....I did exaggerate, but only about half as much as you imply. I wasn't going to get anal about math, but....It's true that a 80/95 or 81/96 J-curve on the throttle will map the response of the stock WH to the DCS profile...but that's not quite the same thing.

 

The TMHWH hits the stops after 2/3 of its electrical travel...67%, not 80%.

 

Load the script editor and without a script running run the device analyzer. The throttle is displayed as a 15bit range, from -16384 to +16384. At zero throttle, I get +16384. At the physical detent I have -5400. (16384+5400)/32768 = 67%.

 

By the same process, the 81/96% curve (which puts me at min-aug FC2 when the throttle is pushed up to AB detent - annunciator lights are on but there's not burner flame in the graphic model) puts me at 88% throttle.

 

This really isn't an issue for 99.9% of the people out there. Curving the throttle works quite well.

 

For people enjoying formation work, curving the throttle makes it way too sensitive to the small movements we typically use. >95% of the Thunderbird (and therefore VTB) show is flown in the 80-90% rpm range (at least for the diamond....solos exercise the throttle a bit more), so having the throttle response for that range squished down makes it harder to make the small power changes we need.

 

I do truly love flying the Warthog...this is an awfully small nit to be picking. :D

 

Just as a followup...I'm not sure where TM got the 80/95% numbers from. I've been using that or 81/96 since talking with Dimebug about this back in June. You'll notice that if you play with the graph that 66 / 87 (which is what I say is the Warthog / DCS response) on the jcurve gives the exact same curve as 80/95.

Edited December 13, 2010 by Teej

[some1]

Yes, you're right. I've mistaken J-curve values for position values.

[Teej]

Yes, you're right. I've mistaken J-curve values for position values.

 

No worries, logical mistake given that's the #s and explanations TM put in the book. The curve works...it's just...an odd set of numbers.

 

Since I was there, I think this really highlights the issue I / we (VTB) have seen, realistic or not....if you change the jcurve numbers to 24/41, you still get the same curve as posted above. That means that in the range we spend most of our time, the throttle is nearly twice as sensitive to small movements!

[Cali]

Don't know if this has been posted here before, but there is a AB detent for the Warthog. Look here, but you lose the cut off detent.

[MTFDarkEagle]

... but you lose the cut off detent.

 

 

Que?? :huh:

[Milli]

Don't know if this has been posted here before, but there is a AB detent for the Warthog. Look here, but you lose the cut off detent.

 

The video is a little confusing in that he has the throttle facing the wrong way, i.e to increase thrust he is pulling the throttle towards him. It makes it look as though he is messing around with the cut off detent, which he is not. So no, the cut off detent is not lost.

 

Regrads,

Milli

[Cali]

The video is a little confusing in that he has the throttle facing the wrong way, i.e to increase thrust he is pulling the throttle towards him. It makes it look as though he is messing around with the cut off detent, which he is not. So no, the cut off detent is not lost.

 

Regrads,

Milli

 

If that's the case then that's awesome, I haven't messed with mine yet.