Question about the Landing TM

[mjolner]

I cannot seem to get this one to work, but I am not sure if it is an error on my part.

 

Initially your waypoint(steerpoint) is about 10 nm off the runnway at Batumi. Once the tutorial starts you are directed to bring up the CDU and divert to Batumi. This new steerpoint takes you directly over the airfield? Is this right or am I flying to the wrong point? Its hard to capture the ILS over the airfield. Once I fly over the airfield the voiceover never picks up again.

 

Can anyone help me out with this or provide a track of the completed tutorial?

Edited January 3, 2011 by mjolner

[-Ice]

I think the steerpoint is over Bantumi, but you are supposed to contact the ATC/Tower and he will give you directions about 10nm out to sea (I can't remember the term for this but this is where you'll start your landing approach). Follow that. If you forget or don't know where you are, contact ATC Bantumi again and choose the "I'm lost" transmit.

[mjolner]

Thanks Ice I will go and try the training mission again. I recall there is a point when you are directed to contact the tower or approach by ATC, I think when you are in visual, but I was waiting for a prompt from the tutorial voiceover, maybe this is where I am screwing up. I will give it another try at first opportunity.

[EvilBivol-1]

Ice is correct. You should allow the autopilot to keep you straight and level until you are instructed to contact ATC to get an inbound course. Autopilot will then be turned off to allow you to make the turn to the heading provided by ATC. Once the turn is complete, AP will be engaged once again to keep you straight and level until you approach the final approach fix.

[mjolner]

Thanks Ice and Evil, this was a matter of not following directions on my part.

 

After given the vector by ATC and autopilot disengage, I was changing course to the airfield steerpoint and not the vectored course from ATC, this put me directly over the airfield and not 10nm off the runnway as needed to capture the glideslope.

 

All is corrected now and I have completed the tutorial, a very well made one at that. Very informative. I was landing fine before but my airspeed was much higher than the prescribed 120 for a light bird.

[S77th-konkussion]

1 minor Error in this training mission- Instructor has you set HSI course to 130- it should be 125. Set it to 130 and on approach- you can see that the HSI is aligned to the right of the runway.

[EvilBivol-1]

1 minor Error in this training mission- Instructor has you set HSI course to 130- it should be 125. Set it to 130 and on approach- you can see that the HSI is aligned to the right of the runway.

That's a bug in the avionics, which has been corrected since. 130 is actually the correct heading.

[El_Roto]

I was landing fine before but my airspeed was much higher than the prescribed 120 for a light bird.

 

Were you using your speed brakes during the approach? Your landing speed is much closer to 120 kts when you deploy about 30 degrees of "barn door". :smartass:

[BigBANGtheory]

Can you use speed brakes without a HOTAS system? I can't see the option in the game controls and the manual shows the switch on the throttle :joystick:

 

When I approach at 120kts I use up an awful lot of runway with zero throttle and wheel braking, its good fun though I feel I am missing something.

[Eggcake]

That's a bug in the avionics, which has been corrected since. 130 is actually the correct heading.

 

I'm not sure if you meant "it will be fixed in the next update" or whether it should already work, because at the moment it doesn't - 130 is still "wrong". If you know about it and it's being worked on, no problem :)

 

Can you use speed brakes without a HOTAS system? I can't see the option in the game controls and the manual shows the switch on the throttle :joystick:

 

When I approach at 120kts I use up an awful lot of runway with zero throttle and wheel braking, its good fun though I feel I am missing something.

 

Yes, it's CTRL+B and SHIFT+B. I think he even tells you that in the training mission :)

 

Just follow his instructions until you reach the final approach point where he tells you to descend to 2'500 ft. Maintain about 230-250 knots, use the airbrake if necessary - go down pretty steep, not too slowly (10° or even more). When the runway is about at your 9 o'clock, turn left relatively hard, slow down below 200 knots. Gear down, flaps down. Now go down to about 120-130 knots. And make sure you have an eye on the ILS needle (and in the end on PAPI). When you are about above the runway, throttle down, pull slowly up. As soon as you touch down, engage air brakes, touch down with the front wheels and engage wheel brakes. This way it should be pretty easy to brake. If you are too fast during approach, open up the air brakes a little bit and leave them like that and use more throttle if necessary.

 

Hope I could help a little bit :)

[S77th-konkussion]

Actually Batumi's runway appears to be closer to 131 than 130, but I couldn't tell you if the decimals are rounded up..

[hendo97]

1 minor Error in this training mission- Instructor has you set HSI course to 130- it should be 125. Set it to 130 and on approach- you can see that the HSI is aligned to the right of the runway.

 

Guys I am learning this ILS / TACAN landing thing and need a little help. How do you know what the HSI course bearing should be? Konkussion states it is around 125 the training mission says 130. Does this course have anything to do with the number of the runway of something like that? I know only a few airfields have ILS in the sim but I would like to come back from a kick butt mission and be able to set up the pit to land ILS in bad weather or at night on any of the Fields that do have ILS. The main thing keeping me from doing this is not knowing what course to dial into the HIS Course window. Any help would be great but please give details ( I am slow). Thanks

[EvilBivol-1]

ATC gives you the runway heading ("runway 13")

[Eggcake]

Guys I am learning this ILS / TACAN landing thing and need a little help. How do you know what the HSI course bearing should be? Konkussion states it is around 125 the training mission says 130. Does this course have anything to do with the number of the runway of something like that? I know only a few airfields have ILS in the sim but I would like to come back from a kick butt mission and be able to set up the pit to land ILS in bad weather or at night on any of the Fields that do have ILS. The main thing keeping me from doing this is not knowing what course to dial into the HIS Course window. Any help would be great but please give details ( I am slow). Thanks

 

ATC tells you the runway and you can also see the possibilites on the screen if I remember correctly.

 

And for the training mission, in beta 4, it's actually about 121. At least for me :) But it is a bug, it should be the exact heading of the runway.

[S77th-konkussion]

You can get the HSI course by referencing the airfield chart.

 

Download this: DCS Airport charts This might not be accurate- but better than nothing.. You can find pretty official NAV versions online

 

 

As far as the runway numbers and where they come from- it's derived from those actual headings A runway like Batumi whose heading is about 130.7 according to worldaerodata.com would have 13 asigned to it.. A couple of them don't make much sense to me- like Kopitnari- which says "253" but has a runway of 26... Why that's not a 25 runway- I don't know. Again- I can't speak for the accuracy of this set of charts.. In fact- the more I look at them- the more dubious they seem. There's quite a few that are too perfect (runway 07= 070, runway 25= 250)..

[effte]

IIRC, Batumi has a true heading of 131 and 5 degrees easterly variation for a mag heading of 126. However, something is broken so you'll see closer to 121 mag. On the road, so that's off the top of my head. I posted the data in another thread, so search for those numbers.

 

Not that it matters much, it's just convenient. Set the HSI TO any heading and keep the CDI centered - you'll be on RWY centerline.

Edited February 19, 2011 by effte
Demisidiomatization :)