Su-33 sluggish?

[Jinro]

I've been familiarizing myself a little with the Russian jets now that I've flown so many A-10 and F-15 missions, but when I tried the fly the Su-33 the controls were extremely sluggish. The F-15, MiG-29, A-10, and Su-25 are all very responsive; I barely even need to move the stick at all. But when I tried the Su-33, I had to yank the stick just to perform a basic turn that, if were tried in an F15, would result in a high-G turn (and probably structural failure). Is the Su-33 supposed to fly like a freight train or is something messed up with my controls?

[104th_Crunch]

Well, of all the fighters the 33 has the worst turn performance, but compared to the 25 it turns much better. Fly with 50% fuel and a light weapons load and you will notice a much better performance.

 

Check you stick axis assignments just in case.

[revalence]

It comes to very sensitive pilot when piloting the Su-33 (assuming you don't fly with Arcade Flight options). Firstly, the Su-33 actual operational G-limit is +8 Gs. It is not recommended to overcome +9 unless in dire situations. It's empty is a whopping 40,600 lbs., which leaves much to be desired in terms of turning performance against most modern fighters. This turning capability is on par with probably a F-14 (43,735 lbs empty). It really isn't a surprise. Since it is designed as a maritime defender and fighter aircraft, it is designed with more fuel, and of course, two more pylons. Furthermore, the thrust/weight ratio is a measly 0.87 compared to the F-15C's powerful 1.12. With full payload and fuel, as Crunch said, it can be a horrible performer. Most missions are performed fine with 75% fuel and modest payload.

 

 

-Happy Flying

Andrew (Revalence)

[mikoyan]

but it looks like it has better instantaneous pitch rate than the flanker but lightly loaded; it is also supposed to reach a few degrees more of alpha.

[Jinro]

My controls are just fine--I flew the Su-25, MiG-29, and A-10 in the same sitting just to make sure. I flew the Su-33 in one of the training missions. No payload, only fuel. I had to move my stick to it's near limit just to perform a 2G turn. To perform a similar turn in any other FC2 aircraft I would need to move my stick a measly 2cm.

[Napa]

I hope they make a DCS Su-33 to see the actual performance of that fighter because FC2 doesn't do just to it.

[104th_Crunch]

DCS:Su-33 would be a pretty good choice.

[Boberro]

Nah MiG-29K better, Su-33 is old grandpa without multirole task :P

[GGTharos]

You're about as likely to see a Su-33 sim as you are to see an F-22 SIM - just IMHO.

 

@Jinro: Something is up with the controls for sure. Check how the axis are configured in-game. This seems like some issue specifically with the Su-33 control profile.

[Jinro]

How will an axis issue result in such slow response? It seems more like an issue with sensitivity, which can't really be controlled from the in-game settings.

[104th_Crunch]

Maybe you have 2 different controls using the same axis.

[Flаnker]

Nah MiG-29K better, Su-33 is old grandpa without multirole task :P

Now there is a modernisation of Su33. The plane have equipped with the new engines, new system of the prevention of an irradiation("Pastel"), the new radio-electronic equipment and arms.

[Jinro]

I replaced the joystick profile with the same profile I use for the other planes and it works fine now--except on carrier launch the thing goes nearly vertical and stalls.

[GGTharos]

Do you know the details of what is new/upgraded, ie. radar changes, avionics changes, new weapons?

 

Now there is a modernisation of Su33. The plane have equipped with the new engines, new system of the prevention of an irradiation("Pastel"), the new radio-electronic equipment and arms.

[Boberro]

Now there is a modernisation of Su33. The plane have equipped with the new engines, new system of the prevention of an irradiation("Pastel"), the new radio-electronic equipment and arms.

 

I have heard they were going to upgrade Su-33 exactly with those things fleet around 2001 but nothing except common repairs happened IIRC.

 

 

Are those upgrades sure? I've been thinking all time they are going to replace with much better, smaller, cheaper MiG-29K and abandom Su-33 in their current stadium :)

[RIPTIDE]

Nah MiG-29K better, Su-33 is old grandpa without multirole task :P

Screw the MiG. The '33 has better range, and is a better starting point. IMHO stick with '33 + whatever upgrades. Putting a MiG on a Carrier is like putting peanut butter on a wedding cake. The MiG will always be a point defense scrapper. The '33 has the potential to more of a force projection platform, maybe in the future for shore assist, and more potential for a standoff fleet defence role

Edited January 12, 2011 by RIPTIDE

[Flаnker]

I have heard they were going to upgrade Su-33 exactly with those things fleet around 2001 but nothing except common repairs happened IIRC.

 

 

Are those upgrades sure? I've been thinking all time they are going to replace with much better, smaller, cheaper MiG-29K and abandom Su-33 in their current stadium :)

Now all planes are equipped by new system of the prevention of an irradiation("Pastel"). Now 6 planes have passed full modernisation. All planes will be gradually modernised.

The first flight of modernised Su33.

 

http://www.tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/ispytaniya_modernizirovannogo_su-33_v_1312.html

[Flаnker]

Do you know the details of what is new/upgraded, ie. radar changes, avionics changes, new weapons?

I do not know details. I know that new engines are established, the plane resource is prolonged. He can serve as early as 15-20 years. It is established the new radio-electronic equipment.

[GGTharos]

I think the trasnlator is doing something funny :)

 

By 'Pastel' you do not mean prevention but detection, yes? It is a radar warning receiver. And I imagine it is probably linked with Sorbitsia :)

[Boberro]

Screw the MiG. The '33 has better range, and is a better starting point. IMHO stick with '33 + whatever upgrades. Putting a MiG on a Carrier is like putting peanut butter on a wedding cake. The MiG will always be a point defense scrapper. The '33 has the potential to more of a force projection platform, maybe in the future for shore assist, and more potential for a standoff fleet defence role

 

MiG-29K is really a big step since basic MiG-29, especially in fuel area and sensors while Su-33 will be still old till its full upgrade. MiG is faster, has more agility :)

Su-33 is like big cow, but if it is modernised well, it will have chance to be better and do more than just A-A defence. I hope so.

 

Now all planes are equipped by new system of the prevention of an irradiation("Pastel"). Now 6 planes have passed full modernisation. All planes will be gradually modernised.

The first flight of modernised Su33.

 

http://www.tvzvezda.ru/news/forces/content/ispytaniya_modernizirovannogo_su-33_v_1312.html

 

Interesting I glance on it closer, thx :)

[Flаnker]

I think the trasnlator is doing something funny :)

 

By 'Pastel' you do not mean prevention but detection, yes? It is a radar warning receiver. And I imagine it is probably linked with Sorbitsia :)

Yes:) It is a radar warning receiver. She it is similar on RWR AN/ALR-56C.(I cannot show you a photo.It is a secret)

[GGTharos]

Not a problem, I have seen some photos. :) I think this is modern RWR and probably indications are combined onto a situational display. :)

[Flаnker]

:) I think this is modern RWR and probably indications are combined onto a situational display. :)

Yes. The indicator as at F-15C.

[Boberro]

So it seems it is really big upgrade for them, second youth, yeah.

[Flаnker]

So it seems it is really big upgrade for them, second youth, yeah.

Yes.