zaGURUinzaSKY Posted June 14, 2005 Posted June 14, 2005 Hey ED, where are the brakes axis? right wheel brake? left wheel brake? airbrake? just a poor little button??? Robbie.
AndyHill Posted August 20, 2005 Posted August 20, 2005 Lock on MUST have toe-brake functionality with differential braking! ________________________________________________________ Lock on MUST have toe-brake functionality with differential braking! My blog full of incoherent ramblings on random subjects: https://anttiilomaki.wordpress.com/
zaGURUinzaSKY Posted August 20, 2005 Author Posted August 20, 2005 well said.. is this a simulator or what??! Robbie.
Prophet_169th Posted August 20, 2005 Posted August 20, 2005 I prefer them to focus on things that pertain to where the action is. In the sky. I really dont see toe-braking with differential braking important.
Weta43 Posted August 20, 2005 Posted August 20, 2005 Agree with Prophet - a sim yes, but a combat flight simulator. With limited resources I'd rather E.D. concentrated on simulating the combat and flight, than the taxi-ing. Comms wouldn't be a bad target for some dev work. Cheers.
504 Wolverine Posted August 20, 2005 Posted August 20, 2005 I would have to agree as well. We don't need toe brakes yet. [/url]
AndyHill Posted August 20, 2005 Posted August 20, 2005 Well I think take off and landing are pretty important parts of any simulator. Taxiing is just a bonus (unless you're on the Kuznezov), but I think the part where you get off the runway so that the next guy can land is a pretty important part of a flight. ED have added a number of neat axis functions already, I just don't understand why brakes aren't on the list. I think it's pretty much a standard feature in modern simulators. ________________________________________________________ Lock on MUST have toe-brake functionality with differential braking! My blog full of incoherent ramblings on random subjects: https://anttiilomaki.wordpress.com/
leafer Posted August 21, 2005 Posted August 21, 2005 It would be nice but don't really need no stinkin' toe braking. I don't plan on doing a donut with an aircraft around the airport. Do we really need to turn that tight in a 'game'? I prefer they work on the radar stuff. ED have been taking my money since 1995. :P
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S77th-GOYA Posted August 21, 2005 Posted August 21, 2005 Well I think take off and landing are pretty important parts of any simulator. Taxiing is just a bonus Take offs, landings and taxiing can all be accomplished very well with what we have now. There's a long list of things that are different in LOMAC than in real life. Differential toe-braking is nowhere near the top of that list if ranked in order of importance. How about proper ATC instructions, for example? Even they aren't that important, but I'd rather see time put into that than something as trivial as braking axes.
zaGURUinzaSKY Posted August 21, 2005 Author Posted August 21, 2005 I think this is not a matter of importance... an airplane gots stick, throttle, rudderpedals and toebrakes and airbrake(axis or button in fighters? I don't know).... I consider it a minimun requirement (as Micorosoft did). Then add all you important features and a good afm, then put the product in the shops... Now it looks more like a puzzle where everybody ask for pieces... 1 Robbie.
AndyHill Posted August 21, 2005 Posted August 21, 2005 It's not even about differential braking, it's about having a brake axis at all. I prefer stomping on my foot to brake the plane to pressing a button on the keyboard. The fact that toe-brakes are a trivial feature is the very reason they should be included ASAP. Something like coding proper ATC instructions would (although quite nice) be a monster of an operation compared to adding an axis for toe brakes. The pilot's head moves inside the cockpit in relation to where you're looking at. That's a neat feature, but if I had to choose between toe-brakes and a neat feature like that I'd prioritize toe-brakes every time, since it actually has an effect on how the sim works. I could code the toe-brakes for myself through Lua exports in probably less than an hour testing included, but I'm not going to redo my pedals' wiring just for Lock on. The airbrake AFAIK is just an on/off button, at least it is so in an F-16. BTW, I don't know about toe-braking in Russian planes since they had a peculiar system in place during WW2, but AFAIK at least A-10 and F-15 should have it. It might very well be different in the Russian planes, because it's hard to understand why ED would've left it out when they programmed the fantastic new physics model (and cross-wind landings) on the Su-25. _________________________________________________________ Lock on MUST have toe-brake functionality with differential braking! My blog full of incoherent ramblings on random subjects: https://anttiilomaki.wordpress.com/
Trident Posted August 21, 2005 Posted August 21, 2005 AFAIK the MiG-29 uses a brake lever on the stick for braking, the Su-27 has toe brakes. I don't know about the Su-25, you could probably tell by looking at the stick in LOMAC but I can't recall what it looks like right now ;) EDIT: I think it was Andy Bush over at SimHQ who mentioned that the A-10 has an axis for the airbrake. He remarked that the standard landing procedure was to have them half-way open IIRC.
zaGURUinzaSKY Posted August 21, 2005 Author Posted August 21, 2005 Thanx trident, sorry for my english but what is the meaning of AFAIK ? Thanx Robbie.
AndyHill Posted August 21, 2005 Posted August 21, 2005 AFAIK = As Far As I Know _________________________________________________________ Lock on MUST have toe-brake functionality with differential braking! My blog full of incoherent ramblings on random subjects: https://anttiilomaki.wordpress.com/
GGTharos Posted August 21, 2005 Posted August 21, 2005 I'd rather see an EID cue on the F-15 HUD than toe brake functionality of any sort. There are far better features that can be included to enhance the 'combat' part of the simulation instead of the 'taxi' simulation ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
ALDEGA Posted August 21, 2005 Posted August 21, 2005 There are far better features that can be included to enhance the 'combat' part of the simulation instead of the 'taxi' simulation ;)GG, you'll just have to live with the fact that everyone has his/her own priorities. For instance, I think the VFTC team care little for F-15C combat gizmo's ;)
GGTharos Posted August 21, 2005 Posted August 21, 2005 They probably just want AFM for the planes they fly, which is fine. This is still a COMBAT simulator, so somehow I doubt any of this affects the VTFC ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
ALDEGA Posted August 21, 2005 Posted August 21, 2005 I agree with your GG. We indeed need an AFM for Su-27 and MiG-29 :)
SwingKid Posted August 21, 2005 Posted August 21, 2005 Take offs, landings and taxiing can all be accomplished very well with what we have now. The situation with taxi, takeoff and landing is so different for AFM and SFM aircraft that I don't think this discussion can have any meaning unless all statements are preceded by what aircraft we are talking about. When I fly the Su-25 or Su-25T, I think I need differential toe brakes. Nosewheel steering doesn't seem to be enough, the AFM has me sliding all over the runway. Those of you flying any other aircraft - I think your opinions might change dramatically in favor of differential toe brakes when AFM comes to the plane you fly. Beware what you ask for... ;) -SK
zaGURUinzaSKY Posted August 21, 2005 Author Posted August 21, 2005 I'd rather see an EID cue on the F-15 HUD than toe brake functionality of any sort. There are far better features that can be included to enhance the 'combat' part of the simulation instead of the 'taxi' simulation ;) eheh I don't even know what EID cue on the F-15 HUD is ... Robbie.
zaGURUinzaSKY Posted August 21, 2005 Author Posted August 21, 2005 The situation with taxi, takeoff and landing is so different for AFM and SFM aircraft that I don't think this discussion can have any meaning unless all statements are preceded by what aircraft we are talking about. When I fly the Su-25 or Su-25T, I think I need differential toe brakes. Nosewheel steering doesn't seem to be enough, the AFM has me sliding all over the runway. Those of you flying any other aircraft - I think your opinions might change dramatically in favor of differential toe brakes when AFM comes to the plane you fly. Beware what you ask for... ;) -SK It's not just about differential toe brake, it's also about axis, we only have FULL BRAKE, it's common tecnique when take off in formation that wingmen use a little more power than leader in first part of take off, then with the use of a little wheels brake they adjust position and speed. A brake axis can allow a wingman to precisely adjust speed and have a smooth but immediate control of speed, something you can't have with throttle. I belive formation takeoff are not so uncommon in aircombat situations... Looking to a Lockon video of formation takeoff you now see airplane having the nose bouncing down everytime the brake is applied, this is so unrealistic to see, try to apply full wheel brake in real life at 300kmh... you'll see you landing gear fold in severald parts under your ass... Try to use fullbrake while landing on wet runway in real life... At least a NOT DIFFERENTIAL brake axis coul be the answer (as in IL2). For ALL aircrafts. Priority?? was more important to see my tires explode or moving head then the brake axis?? You kidding me?? Robbie.
Guest Cali Posted August 22, 2005 Posted August 22, 2005 I have toe brakes with my CH pedals :) and it works great.
S77th-GOYA Posted August 22, 2005 Posted August 22, 2005 The situation with taxi, takeoff and landing is so different for AFM and SFM aircraft that I don't think this discussion can have any meaning unless all statements are preceded by what aircraft we are talking about. When I fly the Su-25 or Su-25T, I think I need differential toe brakes. Nosewheel steering doesn't seem to be enough, the AFM has me sliding all over the runway. Those of you flying any other aircraft - I think your opinions might change dramatically in favor of differential toe brakes when AFM comes to the plane you fly. Beware what you ask for... ;) -SK I occasionally fly the T. I haven't taxied off the runway yet. When AFM comes to all the other a/c, it won't be LOMAC.
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