Any A2A mods for the BS?

[Henchman14]

Obviously, they do. :thumbup:

[EtherealN]

Show me a Japanese AH-64 in DCS.

 

I mean seriously, this is rediculous. Do you want to know where ED gets it's information on this from? You've allready both been told several times, but...

 

For the Ka-50: Actual, decorated, operational Ka-50 pilots and Kamov itself.

For the AH-64: The US Army, it's pilots and ground crew.

 

But yes, wikipedia and such sources know better than actual pilots of the aircraft in question, don't they? ;)

 

You guys are forgetting that Eagle Dynamics happens to not only be making consumer products. It is also in the business of making simulators for militaries. One would think that when a military wants something to train it's pilots with, the military in question possibly might ensure that it is correctly done? Nah. Internet is better.

[Henchman14]

What is obvious is that it is doable. And some nations do it. Who cares what the US and Ruskies do? They're not everyone. And I rather like the Japanese. Funny. They look like they are more capable than the Americans. As for me, all I wanted to know is if it was possible. And it is. So there are mounts and there is software. So yeah, I'd like to see a mod to put them on. I don't care if I have to fly for the Japanese Air Force. :)

Cause if I was a real copter pilot going into combat, I'd want to have anti-air defenses. And like someone said before, this is the DCS sim. In here, we do run into other heli's and jets on missions. So defenses are needed. There have been a few times now I could have gotten a kill on an F-18, where the shkval actually managed to get a lock, but the vikhr itself was not able to manuever enough to hit, flying out of the laser tunnel. Shows their inefficiency at A2A. Even some heli's have dodged them.

 

Helicopters are sooo undervalued. They are the ultimate ambush predators of the air. They just need weapons to match the target.

Edited March 2, 2011 by Henchman14

[EtherealN]

As far as mods go: no-one cares about what the US and Ruskies do. The idea with mods is to let people tweak what they want to their own delight. No issue there.

 

But if we are simulating American and Russian aircraft as in service with those nations - then we really do care about what they do.

 

And remember this: just because there are mounts on the Japanese ones doesn't mean there are on the american ones. Even on something as basic as a Volvo 240 there are big differences between one built for the american market and one built for the european market, but they're both still called Volvo 240. In the case of military hardware this is even more pronounced, since different nations have different requirements.

 

Now if you want to and is able to mod your game, fair enough. But don't make the mistake of thinking that the Japanese version tells you anything about the American version, and even less about how they are used.

[Henchman14]

This is wrong ;)

...i do not really like the deficiencies :smartass:

 

 

Hey, HungaroJet, where did you get this from? Is it a mod? I've looked in both FC2 and DCS and don't see any option to arm the apaches with stingers. If its a mod, I'd love to see how they did it.

[Maswi]

As far as mods go: no-one cares about what the US and Ruskies do. The idea with mods is to let people tweak what they want to their own delight. No issue there.

 

But if we are simulating American and Russian aircraft as in service with those nations - then we really do care about what they do.

 

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Exactly.

 

Like already said before.

No A2A on Apache either.

How about some AGM 158 on my Kamov.

 

I'm pretty sure it would be able to carry (with some wiring and performance improvements). And the capability to deploy long range standoff weapons would make sense for helicopters, the predators or whatever. I'm also pretty sure there might have been some thoughts about that.

 

If I were a coppi pilot in russian or US Army, i'd never fly out of my base without these.

 

So ED why could you not add these to our sortiment and do some pioneer work!

Or can anyone do a mod for me?

Iglas and AGM 158 for the Kamov! So why would we need the DCS A10C or any more modules then?

 

/sarcassm off

[Xxx]

If anyone is interested in how effective the Vikhr can be in Air to Air, I have posted some "shots". The Vikhr is extreemly difficult to aim, but when you do get a TV lock and "Auto Track Target+ Lazer Control" on your hud the results are adequate.:music_whistling:

 

Now thats not to say that a couple of Igla's wouldn't be a desire. There are also certain "techniques" to the Vikhr's weapons employment.:smilewink:

 

Posted it in the screenshots:-

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=68810

 

Best Regards.

[Henchman14]

Exactly.

 

Like already said before.

No A2A on Apache either.

How about some AGM 158 on my Kamov.

 

I'm pretty sure it would be able to carry (with some wiring and performance improvements). And the capability to deploy long range standoff weapons would make sense for helicopters, the predators or whatever. I'm also pretty sure there might have been some thoughts about that.

 

If I were a coppi pilot in russian or US Army, i'd never fly out of my base without these.

 

So ED why could you not add these to our sortiment and do some pioneer work!

Or can anyone do a mod for me?

Iglas and AGM 158 for the Kamov! So why would we need the DCS A10C or any more modules then?

 

/sarcassm off

 

Wow, some of you have some real anger issues. I don't think some of you get the point. The people like me really don't care if you hate it. You don't have to use it. It exists. I guess you can't deal with pics of real aircraft from countries other than America.

Edited March 2, 2011 by Henchman14

[Henchman14]

If anyone is interested in how effective the Vikhr can be in Air to Air, I have posted some "shots". The Vikhr is extreemly difficult to aim, but when you do get a TV lock and "Auto Track Target+ Lazer Control" on your hud the results are adequate.:music_whistling:

 

Now thats not to say that a couple of Igla's wouldn't be a desire. There are also certain "techniques" to the Vikhr's weapons employment.:smilewink:

 

Posted it in the screenshots:-

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=68810

 

Best Regards.

 

Err, yeah Accipiter, but is that with your "mod"? :P Sorry I didn't get to write you back. Don't completely agree with that. Its not fragmentation that's meant to bring down the aircraft, but the jet of copper spraying out like a shotgun blast at 1 million atm of pressure. Fragmentation is really meant to take out any personnel near a tank that you hit. I've never tried the vikhr against A-10's yet.

My biggest problem and I why I really would like to see vikhrs is when your in tight and close ( in their gun range). Thats when its hell trying to fly and work weapons. Thats when we really need something much simpler to aim and fire, with a lot more maneuverability. Igla with an IR lock works perfect.

As a one man crew, you have time to deal with threats that are far off. But in close in a bad situation, your at a loss compared to a two man crew ( and will lose against them).

[Maswi]

I certainly have no issues.

And i can deal with it.

 

The point is not that I do not accept your way.

You were the one who criticized the way ED chose. And not in a kind way.

 

Now I criticize your way. What is the problem with it? I thought this forum is for telling others your opinion. Thats what you did, and thats what i did.

 

We are in the mod section aren't we?

And mods are there for improvement. What is the problem, discussing the sense of such a mod?

You bought the most realistic sim available in that market. A sim which stands for this kind of realism.

Now you are going to use a mod which reduces realism.

Whats it good for?

 

You are able to shoot iglas now. Don't you feel like cheating?

DCS is there for experiencing very real military aviation.

What you do is destroying that experience. Not for others, not for me, but for yourself.

 

Whenever you go in combat there will be several issues you'll have to deal with. And in combat, there will always be another factor, which has certain advantages versus your person. Being able to play out these is the skill a soldier, or a pilot needs to survive.

 

Where are we going, if we pull rabbits out of our hat...

Mods which give us the weapon we need for every possible situation in field?

I did not want to insult you or make you angry.

I wanted you to start thinking about that fact.

 

If you start adding iglas, you can go further and add some Hellfires. For sure... you will have more fun, being able to launch some standoff ordnance.

As you told us, you seem to be experienced in Black Shark. But you still don't know everything.

Enemy Air to Air units are a very difficult issue, pretty sure. But why are you so willing to stop your skill improvement.

 

As others statet, there ARE tactics, techniques or whatever to deal with that in a better way than the one you chose...

Edited March 2, 2011 by Maswi

[Boberro]

If someone wants to add even Kh-41 to Ka-50 nothing stops him from doing that. Should it bother me if he flies with TOR under pylon and he does it on his own or friend server? Nope it shouldn't.

All is allowed if it doesn't hurt "normal" servers and players.

Edited March 2, 2011 by Boberro

[Vecko]

Henchman, about your A2A Kamov mod...I fly in DCS Ka-50 since 1.0 version and i never heard for something like that , probably because setting are hard coded somewhere deep in game engine.

But, i remember one extraordinary night long time before on 159th dedicated (in that time Kamov only) server. I was flying with my fellow Pancertard when that "unknown" guy walked on server and start to terrorize blue and red pilots. I was lucky ,i was shot down only 2-3 times with R-27ET missile and ,if remember good,he also used AIM-7 missiles?! :)

That was first and the last time i saw something like that...Now i thinking something,because it was so advanced hack,that unknown guy was probably someone from ED team ,killing boredom littlebit...:D Who knows, maybe Yo-Yo it self...:P

 

So, your mod is posible ,but you wont find any here ,thats for sure...;)

[Henchman14]

If someone wants to add even Kh-41 to Ka-50 nothing stops him from doing that. Should it bother me if he flies with TOR under pylon and he does it on his own or friend server? Nope it shouldn't.

All is allowed if it doesn't hurt "normal" servers and players.

 

My point exactly. Thank you. Well said.

 

And I feel that it is totally realistic to fly with A2A armaments on a helicopter. As long as I can see that in the real world they can be fitted, thats real enough for me. I mean, come on, have you ever seen a pic ANYWHERE of the Kh-25 fitted on the Ka-50? Not me. I remember in some post how ED even said it was an "easter egg" or sorts. Maybe it was in the manual. Seems to me thats the most unrealistic weapon of all. But I can definitely see some nation fitting it on for a special mission. And if the heli can carry that, it can probably carry a lot of different weapons. Which makes it an efficient killer.

Some people say you should just wait to be backed up by jets, etc. But what if they're not around? Its like here in America. The liberals think no one should own a defensive pistol, because if someone's trying to kill you, they say the cops will be there in 20 minutes. Gee. If I can get my hands on a pistol, I'm going to carry it.

Now if I can just find where HungeroJet got those pics of the Apache in-game with stingers. :P I can mount the missle, I just don't know to code the rest.

Edited March 2, 2011 by Henchman14

[Henchman14]

Henchman, about your A2A Kamov mod...I fly in DCS Ka-50 since 1.0 version and i never heard for something like that , probably because setting are hard coded somewhere deep in game engine.

But, i remember one extraordinary night long time before on 159th dedicated (in that time Kamov only) server. I was flying with my fellow Pancertard when that "unknown" guy walked on server and start to terrorize blue and red pilots. I was lucky ,i was shot down only 2-3 times with R-27ET missile and ,if remember good,he also used AIM-7 missiles?! :)

That was first and the last time i saw something like that...Now i thinking something,because it was so advanced hack,that unknown guy was probably someone from ED team ,killing boredom littlebit...:D Who knows, maybe Yo-Yo it self...:P

 

So, your mod is posible ,but you wont find any here ,thats for sure...;)

 

Lol, yeah, I remember all the bitching about that "mod". Someone did one, and I have never been able to find it. I've looked all over the internet for it. I wish they would post it again, so we can see how it was done. Strange that he could bring it on a server. He must have hacked the server and injected his code before hand. A real hardcore hacker.

[Boberro]

My point exactly. Thank you. Well said.

 

And I feel that it is totally realistic to fly with A2A armaments on a helicopter. As long as I can see that in the real world they can be fitted, thats real enough for me. I mean, come on, have you ever seen a pic ANYWHERE of the Kh-25 fitted on the Ka-50? Not me. I remember in some post how ED even said it was an "easter egg" or sorts. Maybe it was in the manual. Seems to me thats the most unrealistic weapon of all. But I can definitely see some nation fitting it on for a special mission. And if the heli can carry that, it can probably carry a lot of different weapons. Which makes it an efficient killer.

Now if I can just find where HungeroJet got those pics of the Apache in-game with stingers. :P I can mount the missle, I just don't know to code the rest.

 

Regarding AA missile itself on Ka-50 it seems a bit odd to me - it is old chopper which is limited to lower threats tasks, I doubt in that table enemy choopers and planes are :)

 

About HungaroJet's pics - He made that mod for himself. If you have free time and fast PC to test one file and then fast load game to check results you can try it by messing in few hundreds files. The more time you spent viewing files the better you will understand them and what they do.

[159th_Viper]

If someone wants to add even Kh-41 to Ka-50 nothing stops him from doing that. Should it bother me if he flies with TOR under pylon and he does it on his own or friend server? Nope it shouldn't.

All is allowed if it doesn't hurt "normal" servers and players.

 

The difference is that ED was requested to implement it ;)

 

Makes no difference to anyone if an individual feels the need to prance around butt-naked in his armchair singing 'Highway to the Danger Zone' and pickling '73's from a Kamov in SP - just do not even attempt to get ED to comment on, never mind endorse said behaviour.

 

That said - this thread is for the request of an A2A mod, not another discussion as to the ability of the Kamov to carry said munitions. Further off-topic discussion will result in this thread following in the steps of it's predecessor.

[Maswi]

I never told him not to, did I?

 

I see, in fact, there is no problem whit what he does in SP or with his friends in MP.

I don't bother and others will either.

 

But isn't this supposed to be a place for an exchange of views?

As I stated, i try to make him and others thinking about that.

 

Feeling yourself real by doing so, as he stated is just wrong.

Because it is not, that is a fact.

And as we know from ED, they worked with those people who, I assume, know the most about that platform.

 

How can I ignore this, and tell myself it feels more real with AA weapons.

He can fly with.

I want to tell him, that he should simply not feel real with it.

Although, he feels like expanding his possibilities and mind, he should know, that in fact he limits it.

 

I simply want to share that thought with him and with others wo think the same way. Anyhow... you seem not wanting to hear that.

You put words in my mouth, like me saying "I'm pi**ed off, because he has another opinion than I have, and shoots with Iglas!!!"

 

@Henchman

 

Makes no difference to anyone if an individual feels the need to prance around butt-naked in his armchair singing 'Highway to the Danger Zone' and pickling '73's from a Kamov in SP - just do not even attempt to get ED to comment on, never mind endorse said behaviour.

 

 

could you please tell me, when you have found the file you are searching for, that I can do so with my non-russian Rayban glasses x)

Edited March 2, 2011 by Maswi

[Henchman14]

Lol, no clue what your last comment is about dude. And your welcome to your opinion. We've heard it. But if you wonder why I want to use Iglas, its because they are easily and quickly aimed at close range, and fire and forget to boot. Fire. Run for cover. When you are trying to fly the bucking bronco and aim the shkval at a target in gun range at the same time, it is disastrous to say the least. The AI knows exactly where you are and is a fast, crack shot. Not to mention they aggressively hunt you down. Even if you "spawn" behind a hill, and never come into their sight, you can watch them homing in on you at good speed on the map. X-Ray vision at 10km. And I have a huge hill between me and them. The only ally fast enough to kill them is my AI wingman, and he only seems to respond some of the time. Even if I yell at him to take out bandits, half the time he says "Nyet!"

Edited March 2, 2011 by Henchman14

[Henchman14]

The difference is that ED was requested to implement it ;)

 

Which means someone out there in reality is probably going to implement it. :music_whistling:. Which is perfect. I personally love the Kh-25, and there is implementation for it in the cockpit. Just like AA. The Kh-25 is perfect for bunker busting and anti-ship, which the vihkr is not big enough to accomplish. I don't think I'm straying out of the realm of reality by adding Igla's. The switches are in the cockpit! Of course, in order to stay in reality, Im going to have to let the enemy Apache AI use them too, which opens up an even worse can of worms. :cry::doh::megalol: But they're already snipers with the Hellfire missiles anyway, and stingers are close range weapons like Iglas, so it doesn't matter.

Edited March 2, 2011 by Henchman14

[Henchman14]

New pics of the stinger mount on the Japanese Apache.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[GGTharos]

You haven't discovered anything new. It is a Japanese Apache. Check out the british longbow, too.

 

Now, find me a Japanese or British (or any) Ka-50 in service fitted with an AAM. ;)

 

New pics of the stinger mount on the Japanese Apache.

[Henchman14]

Well, theres plenty of pics, but you really can't trust any of them. And most of them are tiny / ugly. Me, personally, I really don't care. I'm a mercenary type. I just wanted to make sure it could be done. That and the controls for it in the cockpit are good enough for me. Looks like HungaroJet did a mod for the Apache to carry stingers. Maybe he'll do one for the Ka-50 and R73/Iglas. Most pics and articles talk about a third rail under the flare dispenser, both for Igla and R73. Not sure whether the pics are mock up or real. Probably some are real as much experimentation has been done with the heli. No one can or will confirm. Now, I'm just waiting for a mod. Unless I ever manage to figure out how to do it myself.

[GGTharos]

Well, theres plenty of pics,

 

There is not a single pic of in-service Ka-50's carrying AAMs. The only pics are either Kamov's mock-ups or Kamov's own Ka-50's that they experiment with. Not one of those is in service with the military.

 

I just wanted to make sure it could be done.

 

You could strap stingers to cessnas. And?

 

That and the controls for it in the cockpit are good enough for me.

 

It doesn't matter that the controls are in the cockpit. There's probably still a v-max switch in the F-15C cockpit. It's useless.

 

Most pics and articles talk about a third rail under the flare dispenser, both for Igla and R73. Not sure whether the pics are mock up or real. Probably some are real as much experimentation has been done with the heli. No one can or will confirm. Now, I'm just waiting for a mod. Unless I ever manage to figure out how to do it myself.

 

Most pics and articles come from potential Kamov offerings (that no one has purchased), and sites copying each other all over the place. The only reliable sources are Kamov and Russian Army, both of which ED worked with when making the simulator. Kamov has not sold a single AAM carrying Ka-50 to anyone, ever. No one wants it. People can and did confirm this to be true.

 

Good luck with your mod.

[Sharkster64]

The problem that I see with this mod is that you may not intend for it to be used in multiplayer, but if it starts getting distributed, you can bet your a$5 that it will find its way into multiplayer servers. Just recently I saw on the 51st server someone got shot down by an Aim-154 Phoenix. Which was shot by an SU-27. The same guy then went on to destroy a helicopter with a AGM-65 Maverick, also shot by the SU-27. Who the heck came up with that mod? I have also seen vikhrs on all rails for a total of 24 vikhrs on a ka-50. This was also on a multiplayer server. How did these mods end up on a multiplayer server which does not allow these mods.

[Boberro]

The problem that I see with this mod is that you may not intend for it to be used in multiplayer, but if it starts getting distributed, you can bet your a$5 that it will find its way into multiplayer servers. Just recently I saw on the 51st server someone got shot down by an Aim-154 Phoenix. Which was shot by an SU-27. The same guy then went on to destroy a helicopter with a AGM-65 Maverick, also shot by the SU-27. Who the heck came up with that mod? I have also seen vikhrs on all rails for a total of 24 vikhrs on a ka-50. This was also on a multiplayer server. How did these mods end up on a multiplayer server which does not allow these mods.

 

Payload configurations mods are not restricted (good). These incidents you have mentioned, globally are rare. Such people are just banned :)