wargasm369 Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Please give stick suggestions:- have windows 7 - 64 bit - Processor Intel 15cpu 661@ 3.33 GHz - 4GB RAM. suckered into buying a Metalstrike pro without seeing it, and now looking for better stick, Lock-on also doesnt seem to recognise it has a throttle, and in any case it is not a comfortable shape to use, would pefer a stick one that that is easily mappable if possible. thanxs Lock-on 2 noob.
*Rage* Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Many many options.... Price range? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22
wargasm369 Posted March 10, 2011 Author Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) Was really trying to get idea of what was a 'typical' stick for 'typical' flight gamer, so i could use 'typical' custom stick mappin After spending over an hour trying to re-map it - the 30 quid mental-strike pro is now smashed up in the bin [methinks maybe some deranged factory korean wired it up - I also tried it in Apache Air Assault where the default mental-stike pro mappin was really wierd - throttle up makes pilot look up etc and totally unflyable copter just goes 'tits up' and crashes lol] Dont really want to waste anymore cash on duds, was thinking @ 50-60 quid-ish but would even be prepared to go bit higher for quality item. wasnt really thinking about peddles, wireless might be cool, mainly just wanted something that 'just works' not 'works - just' Edited March 10, 2011 by wargasm369 £££ signs turned into gibberish
GGTharos Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I think an X-52PRO will cost you around $150USD. The ideal controller for this is the TM: Warthog HOTAS which is around $400 USD. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
egorter Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 I, being a cheap basterd, like the logitec extreme 3d pro Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati Master sergeant shooter sergeant important person of sergeants extreme:gun_rifle:
S77th-konkussion Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) GG I *think* this guy is a LOMAC flyer.. (this is the lock on forum section.. whew... dusty in here... :D ) Nevertheless- GG is correct that if you plan on getting into the DCS Warthog simulation- the TMWH is most ideal for overall control. Followed closely by the CH line, then perhaps a distant 3rd- the Saitek X65 I think it's called... The X52/ x52pro can be used in DCS. However- its seriously lacking in HAT switches. This means that profiles have to be carefully crafted and will be more complex to use than if you had enough HATS to program a proper layout in the first place. Still-people make it work- I reckon you get used to it after some use. In short- think about not only what you're flying right now- but what else you plan on flying. You may want your stick to have room to grow beyond LOMAC. Edited March 10, 2011 by S77th-konkussion 1 [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=43337&d=1287169113[/sIGPIC]
GGTharos Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 D'oh ... my mistake, sorry :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
wargasm369 Posted March 10, 2011 Author Posted March 10, 2011 Tee hee hee- apparently i still live in the eighties when 50-60 pounds was a fair amount, I checked out TM: Warthog HOTAS - looks a fantastic bit of kit, prices actually vary from GBP 273.00 to 408.65 which seems a big price difference. I take the point about expanding to other flight sims but not sure if virtually emptying my bank account to get one is an option at the mo. Also i would be interested to know; If the TM: Warthog HOTAS is supreme for DCS Warthog is it well supported in other current flight sims? - for example anyone tried it in Apache Air Assault? - and is it so good that it makes peddles redundant? or will i still need a peddle set just to survive more than a minute A quick google trawl for X-52PRO gave me a few misgivings which steered me even more towards the TM: Warthog HOTAS
S77th-konkussion Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 (edited) I would say that the WH would maintain much of it's usefulness across several other platforms. But there will be a few critical differences. For example- if the next DCS plane were a F16- there would be differences in the throttle switches. IIRC there are a couple of rotary controls, and no "china hat"..probably others. The stick is more or less identical to an F16. If there were a "DCS F15"- you'd be programming the WH to fit much like you would program a CH setup, etc. Same applies to a "DCS F18" which is different still, and most other potential platforms.. THEREFORE buying a WH would come down to the quality of the programming software when you begin to apply it to other titles. To me- CH is untouchable in this regard. Edited March 10, 2011 by S77th-konkussion [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=43337&d=1287169113[/sIGPIC]
S77th-konkussion Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 .....anyone tried it in Apache Air Assault? - and is it so good that it makes peddles redundant? or will i still need a peddle set just to survive more than a minute I never owned Black Shark- haven't flown a virtual chopper since Nova's Comanche, lol... That said- I cannot imagine flying a chopper without pedals. A jet without pedals is almost as bad as far as I'm concerned... Ground steering, toe brakes, takeoff runs.. I gotta have em personally. WH, CH do not incorporate a rudder control on the stick- nor should they. [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=43337&d=1287169113[/sIGPIC]
JCav Posted March 10, 2011 Posted March 10, 2011 Don't buy Saitek products. Their customer support is absolute ****. Their support 'forum' has one registered admin to answer questions, and he hasn't posted **** in over a month and a half, leaving customers with no help.
Dudikoff Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 Don't buy Saitek products. Their customer support is absolute ****. Their support 'forum' has one registered admin to answer questions, and he hasn't posted **** in over a month and a half, leaving customers with no help. That's only if you assume that everyone who buys the stick will need some support. I have the X52 Pro and it works as advertised and the drivers are rather stable recently. i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
Conure Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 That's only if you assume that everyone who buys the stick will need some support. I have the X52 Pro and it works as advertised and the drivers are rather stable recently. How long have you had it? I'm curious about how long a well looked after stick lasts...No plans to replace it soon but the plastic does seem flimsy! Still very comfortable stick and reliable so far... Intel i7 6700k, Asus GTX1070, 16gb DDR4 @ 3200mhz, CH Fighterstick, CH Pro Throttle, CH Pro Rudder Pedals, Samsung Evo 850 SSD @ 500GB * 2, TrackIR 5 and 27" monitor running at 2560 * 1440, Windows 10.
Krebs20 Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 I used a logictec 3d Pro for a long time and it worked very well for me. I moved on to a modded cougar. But it was surprisingly smooth and accurate from day on to the day I stopped using it. I would recommend a small deadzone for the rudder. (Twisting joystick) as it can throw your gun runs of with the A10a. its also cheap. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
MasterZelgadis Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 I have my Saitek X52 Pro for 3 years now, and i never had problems or a reason to contact support. Support is a nice to have feature I think, but I assume that a product works, when I buy it. If it doesn't, it's a matter of amazon-support, or wherever I bought it. The X52 lacks hats, that's correct, but you can get used to it. I mapped some hats with the left ctrl-key as a modifier, not the best, but it works (you can map the left ctrl key to a button on the throttle, so you still don't have to touch the keyboard) And finally I really like the feature, that you can adjust the stick to your hand size. If you have smaller hands you can move the "platform", where your hand rests, a bit higher "Sieh nur, wie majestätisch du durch die Luft segelst. Wie ein Adler. Ein fetter Adler." http://www.space-view.net
JCav Posted March 11, 2011 Posted March 11, 2011 All I'm saying is that Saitek does NOT support their users. Flagship product doesn't center itself (X-65F). Suggestion from Saitek? Unplug and replug the joystick in until you get it centered good enough. We were promised a driver to fix the problem by Christmas, back in November....it's now March. Their support forum has seen absolutely *zero* posts by UKSupport in over a month. If you buy Saitek, you're supporting a **** company who doesn't give a **** about you once they have your money. Your choice. If I had my $300 back from my X-65F, I'd have saved up and bought a Warthog without a second thought.
wargasm369 Posted March 11, 2011 Author Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) All I'm saying is that Saitek does NOT support their users. Flagship product doesn't center itself (X-65F). Suggestion from Saitek? Unplug and replug the joystick in until you get it centered good enough. We were promised a driver to fix the problem by Christmas, back in November....it's now March. Their support forum has seen absolutely *zero* posts by UKSupport in over a month. If you buy Saitek, you're supporting a **** company who doesn't give a **** about you once they have your money. Your choice. If I had my $300 back from my X-65F, I'd have saved up and bought a Warthog without a second thought. Hard not to empathise with u Jcav though probably best not to take it personal, the cancer of big buisness greed and ethical fraud does obviously rule nowadays, and sucks us all into a pit, hopefully you dont resort to smashing it to smithereens before you find a solution like i did with my Mental-Stroke Pro, youll need more than drivers then Edited March 11, 2011 by wargasm369
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