104th Server R-77 For Su-27 & MiG-29G NATO Mod!

[RIPTIDE]

That's horse crapola if the 33's can't have them either. If were adding missiles to aircraft, let them have them also, it's only fair.

It was discussed. But we have versions of the 27 that carry 77's. But I haven't seen much of the 33 carrying them, notwithstanding the current upgrade that was spoken about before.

[Cali]

It was discussed. But we have versions of the 27 that carry 77's. But I haven't seen much of the 33 carrying them, notwithstanding the current upgrade that was spoken about before.

 

So have you seen the 29 carrying AIM-120's then? it's fictional. It would be almost the same as the 27 carrying R-77's. I would love to get them on my 33...

Edited May 7, 2011 by Cali

[FLANKERATOR]

77's on the Su-27 is not fictional, it's a fact today and ignoring it is a non sense.

 

Don't know much about the MiG29G capability, but I trust MoGas on this one.

It's just amazing how he already proved he is not supporting this mod for performance purposes way before the official announcement, by flying on the 29G only this month, yet having 5 in K/D ratio. Thump up!

[MAD MAX]

Good idea!

[Pilotasso]

77's on the Su-27 is not fictional, it's a fact today and ignoring it is a non sense.

 

Don't know much about the MiG29G capability, but I trust MoGas on this one.

It's just amazing how he already proved he is not supporting this mod for performance purposes way before the official announcement, by flying on the 29G only this month, yet having 5 in K/D ratio. Thump up!

 

No they dont. Only Su-30MKXX can carry the RVV-AE, NOT the Su-27S neither Russia ever incorporated the R-77. This is a known fact Ignoring this is just being dumb on purpose.

[MAD MAX]

Then for Su-27 - R-27AE, and for Su-30 - R-77 + F-18!

[Grimes]

I guess this also means Ze Germans would buy back their Migs from Poland for a Euro each in the event of war. But who needs details :D

 

In the context of the mod, the Su-27 buff makes a fair bit of sense. I know its been debated before on the forums to great extent. So I wont go into that. But lo and behold I can't think of a single thread discussing the Mig 29G in terms of balance! So this should be fun. :D

 

To me, the Mig buff is a tad on the puzzling side. Within the context of Nato vs Russia it would function as a strike fighter counterpart to a Kab-500/Kh29T equipped flanker, but unless the missions on the server have changed to reflect "East vs West" the new MigG is entirely outclassed by a Ukrainian Flanker which would be freely available.

 

Most of my confusion with the buff is in terms of A2A combat. Rather than iterating to the next best solution available, you skipped (arguably) 2 steps of improved weapons over the R-27R by choosing an AIM-120B. Why not Aim-7, or R-27ER? Either option are a hefty improvement over the 27R. Furthermore within the context of the game, the MigG is essentially just a Nato version of the MigA. They are certainly no longer equal with this change. So much so I'd say the MigG is totally imba over the MigA.

 

The mods all for fun, but still, R-27ER or Aim-7 (Aim-7 for the "Nato" version) make much more sense than giving the MigG an aim120. With an Aim-120, you might as well rename the Mig-29G to "4Gate". Thats how imba it is.

 

On a related note I should probably play less Starcraft 2.

[Boberro]

The first think I thought was "omg what the hell have they done?". Personally I am against such thing. False upgrade to make Flanker better.

Anyway if it is already there nothing can be done ...let's see how gameplay changed.

[borchi_2b]

well most people fuss about this is not realistic by book. nobody thought of a stealth helo for spec opss either. was also just an imagination ;-)

 

we talked to a weapon technigian here in germany, and he said, it is no big deal to implement a missile to an airframe. esspecially when you have all data from that missile and all the access to the weaponcpu. you can tell the comp to fire that certain missile, which is basically just a few hours of programming. the only thing is, you do not know, what happens to the airframe, but for the r77 on su30, it is just the same frickin airframe like the other su27 have, so it is just a little bit programming, not more. airframe and missile stay the same, like the 30ies

[VAOZoky]

No they dont. Only Su-30MKXX can carry the RVV-AE, NOT the Su-27S neither Russia ever incorporated the R-77. This is a known fact Ignoring this is just being dumb on purpose.

 

Su-27SM can carry r-77:smilewink: and Russia started upgrading all su27s to this standard in 2006. RVV-SD and RVV-MD are on our doosteps (120D too). 90's are over and Russia is no longer lead by drunk president and is actualy started seeing better days. Thats why i dont see anything wrong in allowing R77 on su-27. Only thing we did is we upgraded su27 to SM standard:thumbup:

Also this http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2011/2/22/168/

[Pilotasso]

that plane is a totally different machine than the one in LOMAC. It can carry the RVV-AE not the R-77.

[Boberro]

Yeah yeah Russian plans are always big hurra and it ends as usual, few planes or 1-2 squadrons.

Maybe situation will change somehow, however I really doubt that.

[FLANKERATOR]

No they dont. Only Su-30MKXX can carry the RVV-AE, NOT the Su-27S neither Russia ever incorporated the R-77. This is a known fact Ignoring this is just being dumb on purpose.

 

Nope, SKM's are already R77 combat ready, even SK's are announced ready to take that missile, I would rather say YOU are being dumb and blind on the matter, and "on purpose".

 

Excellent move 104th.

[borchi_2b]

that plane is a totally different machine than the one in LOMAC. It can carry the RVV-AE not the R-77.

 

RVV-AE is in basics the same like the r77, just the airframe of the r77 is smother and smaller, so as a plus, which missile research was given up in advance for which missile?

and which missile was improved by a french companie shortly after the wall came down?

any guesses?

 

i´ll solve it

 

R77!!!!!

followed by r77m +

so you get the point?

Edited May 7, 2011 by borchi_2b

[VAOZoky]

There are 4 squadrons of su-27sm and another 24 on the way. And RVV-AE is baseline R77 seen im FC2. RVV-AE-PD are one with ramjet S!

[FLANKERATOR]

that plane is a totally different machine than the one in LOMAC.

 

FC2 simulates Su-27S/SK so that's the same machine carrying RVV-AE according to the manufacturer.

 

 

It can carry the RVV-AE not the R-77.

 

R-77 = 1st version of the RVV-AE (50km)

 

The program shifted name from R-77 to RVV-AE as other versions are under development and testing (Ramjet..etc).

[VAOZoky]

Full name of r77 is R77RVV-AE

[Pilotasso]

FC2 simulates Su-27S/SK so that's the same machine carrying RVV-AE according to the manufacturer.

 

 

 

 

 

you have been proved wrong before concerning that, why do you insist?

[VAOZoky]

Why is so hard for u to accept R77 on Su27? Arent u bored of shooting down obsolete russian planes? Dont u want some chalenge?

[FLANKERATOR]

you have been proved wrong before concerning that, why do you insist?

 

I haven't and will not, as long as no one is proving KNAAPO "lying" on their website.

 

Anyways, useless discussion, waste of time to argue about that once again.

 

Let's stick to the topic which is an official announcement from the 104th squadron. Maybe we can talk about tactics adjustments :)

[GGTharos]

No, it simulates SU-27S/SK as per the operator's manual according to ED.

You are wrong either way you want to slice it.

 

FC2 simulates Su-27S/SK so that's the same machine carrying RVV-AE according to the manufacturer.

[RIPTIDE]

MoD has been updated. Same link applies.

 

1) As requested by 104th, there is an option now for 6x77's.

2) As requested by 104th the Multirole options now feature 77's instead of ER's.

 

 

I'd also like to say, that much of the rearming file was originally scripted by Wolverine from his Expanded payload mod. Serious respect from me for handling a 9000 line file.

 

 

Anyway, sorry to interrupt you guys trolling.

[FLANKERATOR]

Like I said, not worthy to bring the discussion back again, you can trust a very old operator's manual, I can trust the up-to-date manufacturer's website and the 104th good sense about what sort of weapons a Su-27 can carry nowadays :)

[FLANKERATOR]

MoD has been updated. Same link applies.

 

1) As requested by 104th, there is an option now for 6x77's.

2) As requested by 104th the Multirole options now feature 77's instead of ER's.

 

 

I'd also like to say, that much of the rearming file was originally scripted by Wolverine from his Expanded payload mod. Serious respect from me for handling a 9000 line file.

 

 

Anyway, sorry to interrupt you guys trolling.

 

Five Five Riptide ! thanks for the heads up :thumbup:

[RIPTIDE]

So have you seen the 29 carrying AIM-120's then? it's fictional. It would be almost the same as the 27 carrying R-77's. I would love to get them on my 33...

Ya the 29 load is fictional for sure. And yes the most of the "Steinhoff" MiGs were sold to Poland for €1 and a bottle of vodka (one or 2 were kept and museumed).

 

I'd personally love 77's on the 33 (8x77 <<they see me trolling, they hatin') but it was knocked as the 77 on the 27 was seen to me more in line with what you might expect.