9line attack heading

[dooom]

how much confidence shall i place in this? When they say make your heading 100-140, does this mean i should approach the tgt from this direction?

 

I just added a JTAC to a coop6 mission and he wanted me to overfly other sam sites to attack some sa19 before egressing east. In my mind it was the absolutely worst advice he could offer (as the mission builder and understanding the threat)

 

How does JTAC recommend the attack heading? What thoughts go into this?

 

S!

[Laud]

When they say make your heading 100-140, does this mean i should approach the tgt from this direction?

 

No!

 

"Make YOUR heading" is kinda self-explanatory.

 

Heading = Direction your aircraft is flying AT (not from).

[kingneptune117]

This has always confused me.

 

I wonder if in real life, the JTAC might give the pilot the option to attack from the most convenient heading. On the real battlefield, things change fast. A pilot might have his attack lined up on the heading given by the JTAC, but he might get fired at by AAA and have to change that heading. You never know.

[dooom]

looking at the mission i made, it seems the jtac is asking me to attack in such a way that i pass over him on the way to tgt.... i wonder if this has anything to do with safety as it would prevent any possible blue on blue should a pilot drop late?

 

Still a 100-140 would have been the worst possible heading to approach the tgt from in the mission i made... It gives me little comfort or confidence when considering 9-line approaches.

[cichlidfan]

looking at the mission i made, it seems the jtac is asking me to attack in such a way that i pass over him on the way to tgt.... i wonder if this has anything to do with safety as it would prevent any possible blue on blue should a pilot drop late?

 

Still a 100-140 would have been the worst possible heading to approach the tgt from in the mission i made... It gives me little comfort or confidence when considering 9-line approaches.

 

I have just started trying to work with JTAC so I added JTAC to an existing mission that is basically a target range with some still and some moving targets.

 

The first tasking I get from JTAC is an attack from 0-200. I thought I had misunderstood what it meant. That is an awfully large area to choose from. It is a wide open area in that direction but I would still have expected something a little more precise.

 

Unless it was like that because the JTAC and my plane are the only Blue forces in the mission? Just curious?

[Scabbers]

The JTAC instructions are also based on the location of friendlies to the target and the given attack direction is usally to reduce civilian casualties and friendly fire while maximizing damage to the target.

[Laud]

The JTAC instructions are also based on the location of friendlies to the target and the given attack direction is usally to reduce civilian casualties and friendly fire while maximizing damage to the target.

 

I think the real life background is clear, but what the in-game AI JTAC does maybe a bit less... :helpsmilie:

[jazjar]

Hello, GG, does any dev know the JTAC's decision making process?

[gmohr]

I'd bet money it's random. Doing smerch hunt multiple times, jtac provides different headings, or none at all. Sometimes the headings provided conflict with terrain.

[BimC]

DO you have to follow these instructions?

 

I admit to sometimes divert from orders given by JTAC or ATC. With all due respect, it's an AI.

 

I know we want it as real as it gets, but sometime I have to compensate for the lack of the AI.

 

Anyone else?

[cichlidfan]

I'd bet money it's random. Doing smerch hunt multiple times, jtac provides different headings, or none at all. Sometimes the headings provided conflict with terrain.

 

Not entirely, at least.

 

I have been playing with making my own JTAC settups in the ME. I am just adding JTAC to an existing target range so I know where everything is, or at least started out (some targets are moving).

 

I have only run through it a couple of times so far but, when it sends me after a given T-80 it gives me the same ingress and egress data even if I call in from different sides of the range.

 

I have it targeting a moving convoy with a laser for me and that seems consistant as well. Again, my testing is not thorough by any means.

 

I have had JTAC not send data on occasion but I am not sure if I caused that problem or not.

[cichlidfan]

DO you have to follow these instructions?

 

I admit to sometimes divert from orders given by JTAC or ATC. With all due respect, it's an AI.

 

I know we want it as real as it gets, but sometime I have to compensate for the lack of the AI.

 

Anyone else?

 

I would guess that even in RL, the instructions are guidance based on available information. Once a pilot gets there things may not be quite what was expected. Of course, in RL you have real people to consult with.

 

As far as the sim goes, I would bet that as long as the target is destroyed and no friendlies get fragged in the process then you are good to go. I haven't tried it myself yet to see what happens, but then I have just barely figured out how to interact with JTAC and act on the information provided.:)

 

EDIT: As far as ATC goes, I mess with it sometimes, but I usually just get it on the ground on the right runway and go home happy.

Edited July 8, 2011 by cichlidfan

[nomdeplume]

DO you have to follow these instructions?

I don't use the AI JTAC enough to know all the parameters that will cause it to issue an abort, but it does have a magical sense of what you're targeting and when you fire weapons.

 

For example if you've checked in with JTAC and then spot a helo or Frogfoot and fire a Sidewinder at it, the JTAC will scream ABORT ABORT ABORT because it knows you've fired a weapon at something other than the designated target. Never mind the JTAC shouldn't really have any way of knowing you're fighting another aircraft, and even if they did they should butt out...

 

I'm not sure if they'll say to abort if you come in from the wrong direction. It wouldn't surprise me either way.

 

In most cases though, even if they have given you poor directions or chosen a bad weapon, you could just check out, kill the target(s), and then check in. They should proceed to give you any additional targets - one of the benefits of interacting with a computer.

[cichlidfan]

In most cases though, even if they have given you poor directions or chosen a bad weapon, you could just check out, kill the target(s), and then check in. They should proceed to give you any additional targets - one of the benefits of interacting with a computer.

 

So as far as the scripting for JTAC that the ME creates...

 

If you contact JTAC and the target that is first, or next, in the list is no longer "alive" then they will automatically go to the next target in the list.

 

Had not thought that far ahead. That would certainly be convenient. Just like if you ignore ATC. Once you are on the ground the ground crew will still do what you ask!

[Doum76]

In order for the JTAC to send you data, it must have EPRLS (ENHANCED POSITION REPORTING LOCATION SYSTEM) in other words, Datalink, in the advanced options of the ME. And if i am not mistaken, it needs to be the upper item in the list.

 

Not entirely, at least.

 

I have had JTAC not send data on occasion but I am not sure if I caused that problem or not.

 

 

As for the JTAC, also i do have some issues with headings, thats why i started to created mission based on mission to practice JTAC with IP references.... he sent me on a Tank or IFV, can't remember, with Guns, with a heading from the inside of the daner zone, which i ended up starting my gunning approach droping altitude over AAA, and lots of them... gues what happened... Thought there was sometinh i didn't understand about the heading things... and i eprsonaly wouldn't used guns in that hot spot to keep high altitude :S

 

Smilies-reenactment of what happened. :)

 

:joystick: then :pilotfly: and :doh: a few million $ dept for a downed A-10C :P

 

 

Doum

[Doum76]

 

In most cases though, even if they have given you poor directions or chosen a bad weapon, you could just check out, kill the target(s), and then check in. They should proceed to give you any additional targets - one of the benefits of interacting with a computer.

 

Or simply ignore his indication, get the target down, and once down he will give you another 9-line, unless he's still mad at you or buged, one thing for sure, we won't be court martialed for not folowing his orders. :thumbup: But the prob is, sometimes you don't know he makes you pass over AAA or stuff when you don't know every inches of the mission editing. :( Well you do, after getting shot down and restarting themission for another try. :)

Edited July 16, 2011 by Doum76