KA-50 Werewolf

[toninigr]

History of the Kamov Ka-50 (named Black-shark or Werewolf) combat helicopter is almost 20 years old. Its development was initiated after the preliminary project was prepared by the Kamov designing office, in December 1977. The new combat aircraft was intended to become a counterweight to the USA attack machine “AH-64 Apache“ which was included in the US Army arsenal in 1976. Mr. Sergei Mikheyev, chief designer of the Kamovs designing office, took that office of the beginning of the 70s, after the Nikolai I. Kamov died, with whom he used to have a close co-operation since as early as the 60s. Typical for the predecessors of this helicopter were primarly two symmetrical coaxial rotors. In addition to the older Ka-10s, Ka-15s, and Ka-18s, as well as to Kamov Ka-26s, it was the Ka-27, Ka-29 and Ka-32 types which have been widely used especialy by marine air force. Based on the experience acquired from their operation, a project of a new helicopter designed for ground forces was originated.

 

A high degree of the Kamov Ka-50 survivability is ensured by:

- the pilot’s cockpit fitted with steel plates that can withstand lateral hit of 20 mm projectiles in addition to armored glass 55 mm thick

- protection of fuel tanks, controls, drive system, auxiliary power unit (APU). hydraulic and other systems

- the rotor blades made from super-strong plastic allowing to continue flight despite several direct hits

- the coaxial main rotor configuration without tail rotor and its control systems and gear box radically inreasing the helicopter survivability because when they are hit, a crash is inevetable

- composite materials, that amount thirty-five per cent of the helicopter’s toad-carrying structure, make it possible to avoid secondary destraction effect (splinters) proper to a metal surface

- landing gear and fuselage absorb ground impact overloads.

- If one engine (of two) is destroyed, the Ka-50 can fly with only one.

 

 

Kamov Ka-50 on Kamov

[toninigr]

The helicopter’s armament includes automatic, 30mm calibre gun 2A42. The podded armament of the Ka-50 helicopter can be identical to the armament carried by single-seat machines. In order to improve the Ka-50 combat performance, additional types of ammunition have been developed and/or added. The standard set of the podded armament includes 2×6 VIKHR anti-tank guided missiles and 2 x B-8V-20 blocks of unguided S-8 rockets of 80mm calibre. The fire range of the VIKHR antitank guided missiles is 8 -10 km. However, their advanced version – VIKHR-M – is being prepared. This is said to be effective when firing at light-armoured ground targets remote 12 to 15 km. Depending on the given combat mission, future armament of the Kamov Ka-50s can also include anti-aircraft guided missiles IGLA-V with infrared guiding system or R-73 anti-aircraft guided missiles. Thanks to the desk’s radar and laser system, the helicopter can also be armed with Ch-25ML short-range anti-ground guided missiles.

Edited November 16, 2011 by toninigr

[Griffin]

What's your point posting information everyone already knows?

[toninigr]

What's your point posting information everyone already knows?

 

U think? What is economy factor (or fuel usage) of Ka-50?

[Boberro]

Some crappy info there:

 

Unit Cost: 24.000.000 USD

 

Snice when old and low tech choppa is more expensive than advanced Apache 64D?

[toninigr]

What is Apache 64D price?

[toninigr]

First of all - Ka-50 is not old and low tech helicopter.

Second - AH64D price is 60.000.000 USD, so:

 

24.000.000 < 60.000.000

or

60.000.000 - 24.000.000 = +36.000.000

Edited November 17, 2011 by 159th_Viper

[159th_Viper]

Unit cost of AH-64D: US$18 million

 

Unit cost of Ka-50: US$16 million

[Boberro]

First of all - Ka-50 is not old and low tech helicopter.

 

HAHAHAHAHA:megalol::lol:

Yeah sure, Ka-50 is so advanced that Russians constantly buy them and use for primary operations. :megalol:

So far nobody wants to get this choppa, even Russians don't produce them anymore and stay with 12-18 pieces of all.

 

Second - AH64D price is 60.000.000 USD, so:

 

24.000.000 < 60.000.000

or

60.000.000 - 24.000.000 = +36.000.000

 

Wrong.

All A versions have been modded to D as far I know. Basic A version was about 10 millions? Now D about 18 to 35 for most adv. (there was auction in the past to one country - don't know they bought it or not).

Edited November 17, 2011 by Boberro

[nscode]

So.. you are saying that aircraft are bought based on how good they are? And you dare to laugh at someone? After implying something as ridiculous as that?

[Boberro]

So.. you are saying that aircraft are bought based on how good they are? And you dare to laugh at someone? After implying something as ridiculous as that?

 

It should be.

Yes I dare to laugh funny statements like "Ka-50 is not old and low tech helicopter.". It is. And it can't compare to avionics of Apache or Russian Mi-28.

[toninigr]

Unit cost of AH-64D: US$18 million

 

Unit cost of Ka-50: US$16 million

 

Where did you find this, on Wikipedia :megalol:

 

Plese dont reedit my posts like one before.

 

Ka-50 in 2011 is 24.000.000 USD

AH-64D in 2011 is 55.000.000 to 61.000.000 USD

Example in 2010 AH-64D worth 45.000.000 USD

(on wikipedia is 2007 data, and one funny thing: AH-64A worth 20 million and upgraded "A" version AH-64D worth less - 18 million. Something wrong). :doh:

 

Also, AH-64A, AH-64D and AH-64D Longbow are different.

 

Edit:

 

Also, 284 AH-64D Block I are upgraded to 284 AH-64D Block III this year (improved communications, the ability to take feeds from or even control UAV drones in their area, enhanced engines and drive systems, a new composite rotor blade, and extended sensor range). New upgrade - new price

Edited November 17, 2011 by toninigr

[toninigr]

It should be.

Yes I dare to laugh funny statements like "Ka-50 is not old and low tech helicopter.". It is. And it can't compare to avionics of Apache or Russian Mi-28.

 

Do not underestimate based on prejudice against the Russians.

[Boberro]

Do not underestimate based on prejudice against the Russians.

 

Equipment just says for itself:)

[toninigr]

HAHAHAHAHA:megalol::lol:

 

Wrong.

All A versions have been modded to D as far I know. Basic A version was about 10 millions? Now D about 18 to 35 for most adv. (there was auction in the past to one country - don't know they bought it or not).

 

820 of 940

[toninigr]

Equipment just says for itself:)

 

Can u please explain difference in equipment?

[toninigr]

Kamov Ka-50

PrPNK Rubikon (L-041) piloting, navigation and sighting system

four Orbita BLVM-20-751s for combat and navigation displays and target designation

plus one BCVM-80-30201 for WCS

Incorporates PNK-800 Radian navigation system, with C-061K pitch and heading data

IK-VSP-VI-2 speed and altitude and PA-4-3 automatic position plotting subsystems

Series 3 Tester U3 flight data recorder

Ekran BITE and warning system

KKO-VK-LP oxygen system with 2 litre (0.07 cu ft) emergency supply

Electrical supply from two 800 kW generators at 115 V 400 Hz AC

rectifiers for 27 V DC supply

Two R800L1 and one R-868 UHF transceivers, SPU-9 intercom, P-503B headset recorder, Almaz-UP-48 voice warning system and HF com/nav, IFF (`Slap Shot').

INS, autopilot, doppler box under tailboom, ARK-22 radio compass, A-036A radio altimeter... and more

 

Can u please write something about Apache?

[Boberro]

Look at specifications of Apache D and compare it to Ka-50. Basic things like IR jammer, RWR, FLIR\TV, electronic cockpit...

[159th_Viper]

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/88xx/doc8865/Frontmatter.1.2.shtml ;)

 

 

Plese dont reedit my posts like one before.

 

 

Your post was moderated ito Rule 1.10. Further infringements will result in your posts being moderated, again.

Edited November 17, 2011 by 159th_Viper

[toninigr]

Look at specifications of Apache D and compare it to Ka-50. Basic things like IR jammer, RWR, FLIR\TV, electronic cockpit...

 

Electronic cockpit?? What that means for you? infrared remote control jammer - also in Ka-50. RWR - Radar warning receiver - in every military helicopter. night vision also in Ka-50... Dude, Ka-50 is military helicopter from 1990s, not from 1945...

 

Ka-50 is faster, AH-64D is more economical, both have similar armament, four hardpoints with twin pack missile, armament is similar in performance, AH-64D have little better cannon (620 vs 550 rounds per min, both 30 mm), also 30 mm projectiles can not damage Ka-50 or Alligator cockpit glass above 100 meters... Ka-50 dont have tail rotor, so it is lot easier for control...

 

AH-64D is maybe better but lot more expensive than Ka-50, like I said: 60 vs 24 million USD. :pilotfly:

[EtherealN]

Can u please explain difference in equipment?

 

Ka-50 uses weapons that are being phased out, sensors that are discarded for new platforms, those that have MMS don't even have it integrated with the navigation system, it has no night-ops capability, etcetera etcetera.

 

There are prototype 50's that are better equipped, but production in Russia is cancelled and the helicopter is not considered a front-line warfighter. It's a essentially a COIN aircraft. (Seen service in Chechenia for example.) You can get a feel for how far behind the modern russian combat helicopters it is through comparing it with the Ka-52, which is entering serial production, or the Mi-28.

 

You'll find a lot of information in the manual for the DCS simulation of this aircraft. :)

http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/documentation/dcs_bs_manual_en/

 

Now don't get me wrong, I love this bird, but it is not an example of the state of the art in combat helicopters.

[Boberro]

Electronic cockpit?? What that means for you? infrared remote control jammer - also in Ka-50. RWR - Radar warning receiver - in every military helicopter. night vision also in Ka-50... Dude, Ka-50 is military helicopter from 1990s, not from 1945...

 

Ka-50 is faster, AH-64D is more economical, both have similar armament, four hardpoints with twin pack missile, armament is similar in performance, AH-64D have little better cannon (620 vs 550 rounds per min, both 30 mm), also 30 mm projectiles can not damage Ka-50 or Alligator cockpit glass above 100 meters... Ka-50 dont have tail rotor, so it is lot easier for control...

 

AH-64D is maybe better but lot more expensive than Ka-50, like I said: 60 vs 24 million USD. :pilotfly:

 

 

Sorry, I don't want to be rude but quality of your comparison is as same as quality of most Chinese products. Obviously in your own mind you know the best. All others are liers and don't like Russia.:)

[159th_Viper]

.....is not considered a front-line warfighter. It's a essentially a COIN aircraft.....

 

Aye - Only 2 Ka-50's have ever been deployed in operational combat and between them carried out 4 sorties. In three of the 4 sorties the Ka-50's were accompanied by a Ka-29 which provided reconnaissance and target designation. The other sortie the Kamov was accompanied by a Mi-24.

 

That in itself speaks volumes of the inadequacy of the platform, hence the Russian Army's reliance on 52's and 28's as well as the 24's.

[toninigr]

Ka-50 uses weapons that are being phased out, sensors that are discarded for new platforms, those that have MMS don't even have it integrated with the navigation system, it has no night-ops capability, etcetera etcetera.

 

There are prototype 50's that are better equipped, but production in Russia is cancelled and the helicopter is not considered a front-line warfighter. It's a essentially a COIN aircraft. (Seen service in Chechenia for example.) You can get a feel for how far behind the modern russian combat helicopters it is through comparing it with the Ka-52, which is entering serial production, or the Mi-28.

 

You'll find a lot of information in the manual for the DCS simulation of this aircraft. :)

http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/documentation/dcs_bs_manual_en/

 

Now don't get me wrong, I love this bird, but it is not an example of the state of the art in combat helicopters.

 

Did i said that Ka-50 is better than AH-64? No. Better than Mi-28? No. Or better than RAF Apache, Eurocopter Tiger... No.

It is example of the state of the art in combat helicopters. Why? Because it is first in world coaxial combat helicopter. Its an impressive helicopter.

 

It is not canceled - it is limited, and now in conversion for Turkish Air Force - Ka-50-2 Erdogan.

 

Ka-52 is twin seat version of Ka-50 and it is 82% of Ka-50.

 

No night ops? Ka-50N Nochnoy, not in serial production but exist.

[topol-m]

It is not canceled - it is limited, and now in conversion for Turkish Air Force - Ka-50-2 Erdogan.

 

 

"Now" in conversion for TuAF? What are you talking about? This was years ago when Ka-50-2 Erdogan was participating in a competition for a new Turkish helicopter, a competition which A129 Mangusta won. So no, there won't be any Ka-50-2 Erdogan in service.