KA-50 Werewolf

[EtherealN]

Because it is first in world coaxial combat helicopter. Its an impressive helicopter.

 

Yes and yes. (Though only if you don't count the Ka-27 ASW versions as combat helicopters.)

 

It is not canceled - it is limited, and now in conversion for Turkish Air Force - Ka-50-2 Erdogan.

 

It is canceled. They have one wing of Ka-50 and are not making any new ones.

The Erdogan lost it's competition, Turkey did not purchase it. This was many years ago.

 

Ka-52 is twin seat version of Ka-50 and it is 82% of Ka-50.

 

The difference between the Ka-50 and the Ka-52 is everything in front of engines and everything hanging from the hardpoints. They have the same cyclic and collective as well. Everything else is completely different. The Ka-52 is a "twin seat version" of the Ka-50 the same way the AH-1Z is a combat version of the UH-1 Huey... ;)

 

No night ops? Ka-50N Nochnoy, not in serial production but exist.

 

Yes, there is one prototype and it was rejected.

 

Might as well say the F-15 has thrust vectoring since there is a test plane that has it... ;)

 

And as a note, operational Ka-50's do not have IR jammers (AFAIK, though there might have been field modifications introduced lately - some pictures hint at this possiblity), they do NOT have a radar warning receiver (LWR is what you get), and night vision in operational Ka-50's is limited to regular goggles.

Edited November 17, 2011 by EtherealN

[EtherealN]

"Now" in conversion for TuAF? What are you talking about? This was years ago when Ka-50-2 Erdogan was participating in a competition for a new Turkish helicopter, a competition which A129 Mangusta won. So no, there won't be any Ka-50-2 Erdogan in service.

 

Wasn't it the Cobra that won? I need to check that.

[159th_Viper]

Wasn't it the Cobra that won? I need to check that.

 

No - the Mongoose.

 

They have in the interim ordered 3 Super Cobras while they wait for the delivery of the T129's.

 

http://www.dsca.osd.mil/PressReleases/36-b/2011/Turkey_11-31.pdf

[topol-m]

It is not canceled - it is limited, and now in conversion for Turkish Air Force - Ka-50-2 Erdogan.

Ka-52 is twin seat version of Ka-50 and it is 82% of Ka-50.

Ka-50N Nochnoy, not in serial production but exist.

 

Now I don't know what you're trying to prove here so tenaciously but first read what the others have posted and then reply back. Let's sum it up: Ka-50 saw extremely limited production, it uses obsolete weapons - Vikhr (the russians are probably going for Hermes missiles in the upcoming years), it does not have night capabilities, except for several machines which have been tested with such equipment, but never saw serial production, Ka-50 has outdated avionics not on par with the latest developments in this field of technology. Ka-52 is completely different, it may use Ka-50 as a base but that's it, when you talk about Ka-50 leave Ka-52 out of it, they are two different helicopters with different capabilities and purpose. They might look alike but so do Su-27 and Su-35, this similarity is only superficial, what lies under the hood is important.

And yes Ka-50 might be very maneuverable, it may be able to fly backwards and sideways fast, etc. etc. But before all we are talking about military attack helicopters here so the most important thing about them is to operate night and day in different meteorological conditions, to be able to search for and find targets and to destroy such from a safe distance avoiding getting shot down in the process. Doing so requires advanced avionics and weapons. Ka-50 simply lacks those.

Ka-50 is pretty much dead, Mi-28N and Ka-52 have taken its place and you can be pretty sure there won't be any new Ka-50s manufactured.

Edited November 17, 2011 by topol-m

[elchacal]

Excelent info, thanks for share it..! :thumbup:

[toninigr]

The Ka-50 is the world's first operational helicopter with a rescue

ejection system, which allows the pilot to escape at all altitudes and

speeds - it is uniqe.

Apache has no such system...

 

That alone makes it superior b/c the Russian attack helo has a pilot

survivability factor Apache doesn't.

 

Kamov Ka 50

[EtherealN]

Actually, doctrine is different too: for standard operational use, if the Ka-50 did not have an ejection system, being shot down is almost 100% a guarantee of death for the crew.

 

In the AH-64, operations are conducted differently - there's a lot more slow, meticulous, NOE maneuvering and positioning. Being shot down in an AH-64 under common operational conditions is not necessarily very dangerous at all, and you've got a nice crew safety system inside the cockpit to help keep them from harm on the (relatively gentle) impact.

 

Now, of course, if you get fed a high-explosive fragmentation flagpole launched from a fighter or SAM site, those measures won't help you and being able to leave the aircraft would of course be nice.

 

...but the Ka-50 pilot will not have the faintest clue that such a weapon is incoming, since he has nothing but his own eyeballs and a laser warning system, so his helicopter would explode with him still inside it. (Ka-52 pilot, on the other hand, might.)

 

Should also be mentioned that that ejection seat has failed to rescue the pilots in accidents so far.

 

EDIT: Your link says the Slovak Air Force uses the Ka-50. That's a bit of a "huh?" since they don't. It also lists an AA missile - the Archer - which Ka-50's cannot use. As far as I know they've only been doing captive-carry tests on them, that's it. Kamov does of course advertise the capability, but this should be understood in context - if someone were to place an order, and want their helicopters to be able to employ the Archer, Kamov would implement it. But operational Ka-50's have Vikhrs and Cannon for A2A, that's it. You need to be VERY careful about internet sources. ;)

Edited November 23, 2011 by EtherealN

[RIPTIDE]

OP is obvious troll is obviously trolling. Obviously.

[winz]

EDIT: Your link says the Slovak Air Force uses the Ka-50. That's a bit of a "huh?" since they don't.

 

Buuut I would love if we did :pilotfly: :D But in fact the Slovak Air Force doesn't operate any combat helos at all as even the Mi-24 were discarted recently.

So the link is really weird..

[elchacal]

Excelent! :thumbup: