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What is what?

 

You beat me to it!:music_whistling:

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Oh look, it's this again. :D

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Awesome...only thing is we don't ever use a -60 for external air (in fact in 17 years I've never applied external air to an A-10) only electrical power...

 

Dying concept eh. Does it cost less overall to just run and maintain the APU?

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I think it's cheaper and faster to do what Paul said. That's one thing you can't do in a 16, hop in it and start it up to do maintenance ops checks. Have I ever mentioned I hate working on B-52's!

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have no idea the cost just much easier...why push a -60 to the jet when you can just jump in the pit and fire the APU up....

 

I forgot that money is no object to the USAF. :D

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I forgot that money is no object to the USAF. :D

 

Yup, to put things into perspective, the USAF would probably be very happy if every million dollars could be converted into a dead terrorist. You think they're gonna care about a couple bucks of gas?

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Yup, to put things into perspective, the USAF would probably be very happy if every million dollars could be converted into a dead terrorist. You think they're gonna care about a couple bucks of gas?

 

Well that's a pretty simple interpretation of my statement but OK! :)

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in fact in 17 years I've never applied external air to an A-10 only electrical power...

 

Hi paulrkiii,

In Spangdahlem Airbase (open house) I asked the pilots where to plug in the ground power.

They didn't know because they never used it.

They always uses the APU to power the systems.

 

And by the way:

I asked if they use the ENG OPER switch to MOTOR to turn the engine before they fire it up.

They sad NO, only the "old guys" from Nevada are doing this because of the hot surrounding air.

In Spangdahlem the air is cold enough to start the engines directly by pulling the throttle from OFF to IDLE.

 

What's your experience? :pilotfly:

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Hi paulrkiii,

In Spangdahlem Airbase (open house) I asked the pilots where to plug in the ground power.

They didn't know because they never used it.

They always uses the APU to power the systems.

 

And by the way:

I asked if they use the ENG OPER switch to MOTOR to turn the engine before they fire it up.

They sad NO, only the "old guys" from Nevada are doing this because of the hot surrounding air.

In Spangdahlem the air is cold enough to start the engines directly by pulling the throttle from OFF to IDLE.

 

What's your experience? :pilotfly:

 

A pilot would have no nead to know where to hook up the power cart, they are never around the jet when maintenance is being performed.

 

We use AGE for ground power when needed, for example defueling the jet, when performing flight control ops checks, swinging the gear (these checks we use a hydraulic test stand as well).

As to motoring the engines before engine start, it depends really. Some of our pilots do it every time they fly, others I've never seen to it. Motoring the engine doesn't really have anything to do with the air temperature but the internal temp of the engines and to ensure that any residual fuel has been purged prior to ignition.

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Dying concept eh. Does it cost less overall to just run and maintain the APU?

 

AVTUR is likely cheaper than Diesel for the GSE anyway. ;)

 

 

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