Sunjammer Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 So I jumped right into multiplayer, and haven't touched the single player campaign yet. I've been having a ton of fun, but I'm just really, really terrible at the game :-) Practice practice! Some thoughts so far: No RWR is a pain. How do you guys cope with Shilkas, Strelas and other radar-guided stuff? I understand that I'm typically low enough that radar guidance is of limited usefulness against me, but that doesn't make up for the lack of situational awareness. I can hover at 8-10km and spy for targets but if they're in a city or other area where there's lots of cover, I feel really boned... I have countermeasures, but no idea when i'd use them; Practically nothing other than tanks seem to be lasing me. The datalink/abris/pvi triangle is real weird. Not being able to use Abris ERBL to plot target points I can send via datalink makes so little sense to me. HMS is amazing! Doing a gun run by slaving the cannon to the HMS while flying low and fast is probably a real dumb idea, but a ton of fun! If the A-10 had one... Eek. Coupled with auto turn to target, it kinda feels like magic. Locking on to targets with the Shkval feels kind of fussy; My approach right now is to expand the gate to obviously be larger than the target, hit the lock button, then decrease the gate until it locks. This works what feels like maybe 7 times out of 10. What am I doing wrong? Keeping the controls indicator up has made trim MUCH easier to deal with. I dunno why more tutorials on the trimmer don't suggest using that for visual reference. Why does auto turn to target always turn a liiiiittle bit to the right of my actual target? If I'm trying to put a Shkval on a target with ATT turned on, I always have to put in a little rudder to actually line up the sights... Flight Director is king. Autopilot is nice during transit but when I'm actually in a combat situation I leave auto hover and turn to target on, and disengage the FD every time I've maneuvering into a manual hover and use the HMS to put the nose on whatever I want to shoot at. How do you guys feel about the FD during combat? Anyway, this is a lot of fun and I have a loong way to go before I'll be particularly useful. Thank you Eagle for an awesome sim where Ka-50s can spot targets for A-10s <3 It's so damn cool!
Slazi Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 I always turn off auto hover off if I expect return fire, you need to be able to quickly relocate. Same applies to altitute hold. I'm not sure how others do it. As for locking targets, I've always used boxes slightly smaller than my target, and never really have trouble getting locks.
TurboHog Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 (edited) The manual is a good resource to learn how the abris works with the datalink and what the possibilities are.. Initially i found this navigation and datalink system very unnatural but now it all makes sense. fd is my fav ap function. Only disengage it in auto route and hover modes... Get used to the fact that you cant evade radar guided missiles or at11 missiles without using the terrain in your advantage. When you get lased, turn away or get your attacker on your 3 or 9 oclock and move fast. alternatively you can hide to stay out of its LOS. For wire guided at missiles I do a max speed sideslip and they will miss. Keep your eyes open to spot launches and eventually after some experience you will get better. have fun learning! Edited February 17, 2012 by TurboHog 'Frett'
elproducto Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 The manual is a good resource to learn how the abris works with the datalink and what the possibilities are.. Initially i found this navigation and datalink system very unnatural but now it all makes sense. fd is my fav ap function. Only disengage it in auto route and hover modes... Get used to the fact that you cant evade radar guided missiles or at11 missiles without using the terrain in your advantage. When you get lased, turn away or get your attacker on your 3 or 9 oclock and move fast. alternatively you can hide to stay out of its LOS. For wire guided at missiles I do a max speed sideslip and they will miss. Keep your eyes open to spot launches and eventually after some experience you will get better. have fun learning! Great advice! Do you mind elaborating on how to perform a slideslip?
Sunjammer Posted February 17, 2012 Author Posted February 17, 2012 The general assumption appears to be that people don't read the manual ;) Don't worry, it's with me on my kindle pretty much everywhere I go. It's my understanding that the Abris is like a cool computer they put in the cockpit but only wired up certain bits of it. There's parity of data between the PVI and the Abris but one doesn't influence the other. The PVI can store target points that you can transmit via datalink. However these points can not be defined via Abris, only via Shkval or fly-over through the PVI itself. You can't even input coordinates for a target point directly into the PVI. I hope I misunderstood something here because that's nuts. PVI (TP) -> DL DL -> Abris Abris -> DL So please correct me: 1) You can arbitrarily create points on the Abris or PVI via coordinates, but you can't transmit them anywhere; In the case of the PVI you can create waypoints but not TP's. 2) The only(!) way to create a coordinate you can transmit to other members of the flight is either via mission editor pre-flight or via Shkval. When I've flown with A-10s they've given me coordinates that I've searched the Abris for, rather than simply input. And every member of my flight has had to do the same, because I can't easily create a coordinate to transmit without first being in view of the target area. Sometimes you don't want to be in view of the target area.
Melcar Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 How do you guys cope with Shilkas, Strelas and other radar-guided stuff? I can answer that! I get shot. Lose my hydraulics & RTB. It's fun flying with no hydraulics -- Trim doesn't work; Auto-pilot shuts down. Gear won't deploy. :) p.s. I'm not very good either.
TurboHog Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 You can't even input coordinates for a target point directly into the PVI. You can enter coordinates in the PVI - Turn PVI mode button into edit mode - Choose waypoint/tgt point/airfield/inu point you want to edit. Next choose 1-5 - press 0 for positive coordinate, then add the rest. Press '1' first if you enter a negative coordinate. In this theatre you will only enter positive coordinates... press 0, enter i.e. 42342 for north coordinate in upper line of the PVI press 0, enter ie 041823 for east coordinate in lower line of PVI press enter. point now saved. If tgt or inu point it will appear on ABRIS and when slected iicon blinking on ABRIS) you can use DL ingress and you can also send it to flight members via DL. Please note that when you have a visual on the target you can automaticly create a tgt point by using the PVI edit mode and pressing the tgt designate button. Coordinates will then appear on your PVI and you can save them. Always do this when you have a visual on target. Also note that if you just want to DL a target to a mate and get it on your ABRIS so you can use DL ingress you dont need to worry about coordinates and the PVI. Im sure though the manual explains this much better :music_whistling: 'Frett'
Sunjammer Posted February 17, 2012 Author Posted February 17, 2012 Bah, it does, but not really. I was reading about the PVI itself; That section implies you can edit waypoints. The PrPNK preparation section later in the book is clearer on the subject. Thank you :-)
TurboHog Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 Great advice! Do you mind elaborating on how to perform a slideslip? Hey, Made a track. First part shows the evasion of an AT-5. When I get into a hover to get attacked, press f7 to view the bmp-2, When it fires, press f6 and get a visual on me doing the sideslip. After that you can go back to cockpit view and see what I do to make a sideslip and how you can quickly change your sideslip in the opposite direction by making a fast 360 turn. Make sure the control indicator gauge is on.AT-5 evade by sideslip.trk 1 'Frett'
automag928 Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 Why does auto turn to target always turn a liiiiittle bit to the right of my actual target? If I'm trying to put a Shkval on a target with ATT turned on, I always have to put in a little rudder to actually line up the sights... I gotta figure this out also... probably RTFM would help me as well! :lol: I haven't played BS in forever, A-10C has occupied most of my free time, so getting back into a russian rotary is difficult to say the least...
elproducto Posted February 17, 2012 Posted February 17, 2012 Hey, Made a track. First part shows the evasion of an AT-5. When I get into a hover to get attacked, press f7 to view the bmp-2, When it fires, press f6 and get a visual on me doing the sideslip. After that you can go back to cockpit view and see what I do to make a sideslip and how you can quickly change your sideslip in the opposite direction by making a fast 360 turn. Make sure the control indicator gauge is on. Thank you, I'll check that when I get home.
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