sonicd0012 Posted March 27, 2012 Posted March 27, 2012 I thought this is weird. Why wont my L or R Hotas throttles move during startup? They activate only after i hit the R CTRL + Home key instead to idle? Why dont they activate with the throttle movement.
nomdeplume Posted March 29, 2012 Posted March 29, 2012 The A-10's throttles have a "hump" between the OFF position and the IDLE position (which is just forward of the OFF position). In order for the throttle to be moved from OFF to IDLE, it needs to be pulled/lifted up in order to get over the hump. Similarly to get to the OFF position, it needs to be lifted up from the IDLE position and moved down. The ThrustMaster Warthog HOTAS has this functionality built-in to the throttles: in the OFF position, each throttle activates a DirectX button. When lifted up over the hump and moved to the idle position, this "button" stops being pressed down. The game detects and moves the in-game throttle to match. If you have a regular HOTAS, you only have the linear axis for the throttle motion (from IDLE to full), without an OFF position. Since the distinction between the two values is important (IDLE means the engine is running, and initiates the auto-start sequence if it's not - OFF shuts the engine down) the sim needs to provide this functionality even if your physical controller doesn't. It does this by maintaining the state of the in-game throttles, and rejecting inputs which are invalid for the state it's in. So when you start a new mission on the ramp, the in-game throttles are initially in the OFF position. Hence, movement of your HOTAS throttle is ignored until you use the key commands to tell the game to move the virtual throttle from OFF to IDLE - since it's not possible for the throttle to be moved when it's in the OFF position. Additionally, in order to prevent weird/undefined behaviour from occurring, the game will only allow you to use the keystrokes to move from OFF to IDLE if your HOTAS throttle is in the IDLE position. This is because the real throttle control cannot go from OFF to e.g. max thrust - it's only possible to transition to/from the OFF position from/to the IDLE position.
GGTharos Posted March 29, 2012 Posted March 29, 2012 It's some issue with the initial position not being detected correctly, either by the OS or the game. Push the throttles off the idle position twice if that happens (Assuming you have the TM Warthog) I thought this is weird. Why wont my L or R Hotas throttles move during startup? They activate only after i hit the R CTRL + Home key instead to idle? Why dont they activate with the throttle movement. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
schrøder Posted September 11, 2012 Posted September 11, 2012 Hi, Go to options, Misc, and scelect synchronize cockpit controls with HOTAS at mission start. Think thas solves the problem, it did for me.:)
Echo38 Posted September 11, 2012 Posted September 11, 2012 Even with the synch option selected, you may need to occasionally jiggle the slider a bit for the sim to recognize at the beginning of a mission. But, yes, synch helps.
aledmb Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 yeah, i cannot move the throttle with my hotas at mission start. so many years and this is not fixed???
Yurgon Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 yeah, i cannot move the throttle with my hotas at mission start. so many years and this is not fixed??? You mean you have to hit the corresponding key to move the throttle from OFF to IDLE? As was explained here 6 years ago, this mimics RL A-10 behavior and is intended. Otherwise, if you elaborate on the exact problem you're having, maybe we could help you figure it out. Personally, using a TM Warthog, my SOP is to have the throttles in idle, and when I enter a cold start mission, I set them to the off position after I'm in the pit. This way DCS gets an update on the actual throttle positions and then setting them from OFF to IDLE works just fine. I'm aware some simmers consider this immersion-breaking, but for me it works very well. :thumbup:
aledmb Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 Personally, using a TM Warthog, my SOP is to have the throttles in idle, and when I enter a cold start mission, I set them to the off position after I'm in the pit. This way DCS gets an update on the actual throttle positions and then setting them from OFF to IDLE works just fine. I'm aware some simmers consider this immersion-breaking, but for me it works very well. :thumbup: do you have any special bindings for that to work? because i tried that before and nothing makes my hotas move the throttle at start... only the keyboard can change that axis.
Yurgon Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 do you have any special bindings for that to work? because i tried that before and nothing makes my hotas move the throttle at start... only the keyboard can change that axis. Nothing special, it's the out-of-the-box setup. I also have "Synchronize controls at mission start" not ticked, in case that has any influence. Do you have the TARGET GUI utility available? Somewhere in that tool there's a device analyzer. Using the device analyzer for the Warthog throttle, do you see the DirectX buttons light up when you move the throttles to the off-position, and see the indications go off as the throttles are moved back to idle? I'll be gone for a bit now. When I'm back, I'll try to make some screenshots. But it's really the out-of-the-box setup that I'm using here with the Warthog and the A-10C.
aledmb Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 Nothing special, it's the out-of-the-box setup. I also have "Synchronize controls at mission start" not ticked, in case that has any influence. Do you have the TARGET GUI utility available? Somewhere in that tool there's a device analyzer. Using the device analyzer for the Warthog throttle, do you see the DirectX buttons light up when you move the throttles to the off-position, and see the indications go off as the throttles are moved back to idle? I'll be gone for a bit now. When I'm back, I'll try to make some screenshots. But it's really the out-of-the-box setup that I'm using here with the Warthog and the A-10C. yes, that button (off) is working fine... it's button 29 iirc. i wonder what is that mapped to (or should be mapped as in your case), so i would be able to check, but i've gone through the whole controls list and didn't find it. thanks for the help!
Livers Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 yes, that button (off) is working fine... it's button 29 iirc. i wonder what is that mapped to (or should be mapped as in your case), so i would be able to check, but i've gone through the whole controls list and didn't find it. thanks for the help! Left / Right Engine Throttle Set OFF is what I think you're looking for.
Yurgon Posted April 13, 2018 Posted April 13, 2018 I just checked, it should be: Options -> Controls -> A-10C Sim -> Systems -> Left Engine Throttle Set OFF Options -> Controls -> A-10C Sim -> Systems -> Right Engine Throttle Set OFF These can be assigned by moving the throttles over the "hump" to the OFF position. Edit: D'oh, missed the 2nd page, sniped ;)
Frederf Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 DCS has special control assignments depending on what controller device is detected. Look in \DCS World\Mods\aircraft\A-10C\Input\A-10C\joystick\ The controls outlined in Throttle - HOTAS Warthog.lua will only show up for that exact device. That's where all the special binds are located that control "if button is held throttle is off else it's in the operating range". You won't see that control in the GUI list unless you have that device plugged in (which the TARGET device isn't). What you can do if you want that particular control definition without that particular device is make a copy of the default.lua and rename it exactly as your other device name. Then you can add such special control definitions in it and they will be assignable to that device (TARGET, other joystick, etc.).
NeilWillis Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 I just make sure the throttles are in the cut off position when I start, and use the synch option.
svaty Posted April 14, 2018 Posted April 14, 2018 I also experienced such behaviour and was wondering why it worked that way. Thanks for clear explanation, guys.
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