CBU Low Alt quick quide

[Fish]

In this quick quide, i demonstrate a low altitude, narrow burst configuration with CBU87.

 

If you want more detail on setting parameters for CBU's, I recomend this excellent video..

[Eddie]

Nice video and I applaud the effort, but as far as a tactical demonstration and optimum use of weapons, I'm afraid it's very much an example of what not to do.

 

You dropped well below the minimum safe altitude for the weapon you were employing and the safe escape manoeuvre you had selected putting yourself at just as much risk of being taken out by the frag from your own weapons as enemy fire.

 

If used correctly 2-4 CBU-87s (or CBU-97 if dealing with MBTs) dropped in optimum configuration using a DB or HADB delivery would have had the same effect on target while keeping the delivery aircraft out of reach of any ground fire.

 

If you want to limit collateral damage, the exact same effect on target could have been achieved using Mk-82s or Mk-84s, again using VLD, DB or HADB deliveries.

[Fish]

Hi Eddie,

 

:( I suppose i did put myself in the lions mouth....,

 

.....but the idea was to demonstrate a low altitude drop. I might be wrong, but I expect at that altitude I would have been well within the blast fragmentation radius for the mark82s or mk84s. The plan was to be at 1k AGL on pickle but that one worked so i left it. And yes 6 was probably overkill. There may be occasions however where such a low alt pass would be the only way to get into the threat zone without picking up the fire of short range or long range sams. Same goes for egress.

Edited March 29, 2012 by Fish

[159th_Viper]

That's the thing, Fish. What is applicable to one does not necessarily apply to another. If it works for you it will work for another as well. We are fortunate enough to be in a position to ignore the rules and substitute our own - hell knows the mere comment that 'that is how it should happen' is enough for me to ignore and substitute :D

 

Bottom- Line: Don't stop what you do so well. It will always find applicability, if only to illustrate an alternative method of doing things. We are not USAF/ANG clones - it's about enjoyment at the end of the day and variety aids, no matter in which guise it appears in.

[Peyoteros]

Oh Jesus... :huh:

[Eddie]

.....but the idea was to demonstrate a low altitude drop.

 

And you did, but with a lot of potentially dangerous errors.

 

I might be wrong, but I expect at that altitude I would have been well within the blast fragmentation radius for the mark82s or mk84s.

 

Indeed, that is what Mk82 AIRs in High Drag configuration are for. ;)

 

The plan was to be at 1k AGL on pickle but that one worked so i left it. And yes 6 was probably overkill.

 

You can employ weapons lower than 1k AGL, quite safely, but they have to be the right weapon and the attack planned correctly.

 

There may be occasions however where such a low alt pass would be the only way to get into the threat zone without picking up the fire of short range or long range sams. Same goes for egress.

 

Indeed, they are very common. But there are ways and means to deal with them, and essentially you picked the wrong option across the board.

 

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to make you look silly, nor am I arguing for the sake of it. Rather, I just can't sit and say nothing if I see someone making mistakes, if people don't know they are doing something wrong and nobody tells them how to do it right, how can they learn.

 

Unlike some out there, when I see someone making mistakes I try and help them, rather than ignore it. ;)

 

That's the thing, Fish. What is applicable to one does not necessarily apply to another. If it works for you it will work for another as well. We are fortunate enough to be in a position to ignore the rules and substitute our own - hell knows the mere comment that 'that is how it should happen' is enough for me to ignore and substitute :D

 

Bottom- Line: Don't stop what you do so well. It will always find applicability, if only to illustrate an alternative method of doing things. We are not USAF/ANG clones - it's about enjoyment at the end of the day and variety aids, no matter in which guise it appears in.

 

Indeed Viper, and there is nothing wrong with that at all. But the problem comes where people THINK what they are doing is correct when it isn't, if I had a pound for every hour I spent correcting bad habits such as those show above I'd be a rich man.

 

If someone knows what they are doing isn't correct and why and then chooses to carry on with that approach for whatever reason, then that's fine. But they are doing so from an informed position, rather than a position of ignorance.

[Fish]

Hi Eddie,

 

Thanks for your feedback, I'm all for knowing what i'm doing wrong and why.

 

You might consider posting a 1,2,3 of the right way to do it, with an explanation of what the VLD, DB or HADB deliveries mean, and MSA's for cbu's, as it might help me and other readers of the thread to Plan the attack and employ the weapons 'Properly.

 

(i found this post http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1392288&postcount=16 , but IMO it lacks context and references).

 

 

Cheers.

[Eddie]

I'm currently in the process of writing around 12-15 documents with youtube demo videos and other such aids detailing all the various weapon delivery methods and tactics for every weapon carried by the A-10C. Although it's intended for members of the 476th, I will be making at least some of it public once complete.

 

It's a very complicated subject and there are as many variations on delivery as there are weapons and targets, so it's not that easy to give a simple 1,2,3 guide. ;)

[WildBillKelsoe]

good job there matey!! May we know them tanks by ther limpin'.

 

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