Sukhoi plan further Su-27 development.

[Cobra360]

Sukhoi have been selected over MiG to produce Russia's 5th gen fighter. This fighter is currently known as the T-50 and is not related to the Su-47 design.

It will based on the Su-35 design but far more advanced and it's overall size will be between the MiG-29 and Su-27. It is to be Russia's F-35 counterpart and will not enter service till 2015 or after.

 

http://www.flightinternational.com/Articles/2005/09/06/Navigation/181/201351/Sukhoi+plans+further+Su-27+derivative+.html

[SuperKungFu]

VERY NICE! Go sukhoi!

[Force_Feedback]

Isn't the T-50 (the russian one, not the Korean) that single engine, mini-me su-30?

[Cobra360]

I have never seen it. It's may be the concept design. But from what I have heard the T-50 will be of a similar config to the Su-27 design but a little smaller and with some stealth features.

 

But remember how the Su-27 (T-10) started out and how much it changed and grew.

[Cobra360]

Here are some concept designs, I've no idea how old they are so they may be completly wrong.

 

http://www.suchoj.com/galerie/index.htm?http://www.suchoj.com/ab1953/T-50/galerie.shtml

[Trident]

Actually that article is a bit misleading, though not intentionally so. The new Su-27 derivant is NOT the T-50, the latter being Russia's counterpart to the F-35/F-22. What they're talking about is the Su-27BM aka Su-35BM which AFAIK is simply the next stage in the upgrade path for the existing Flanker fleet after the current Su-27SM. It will inherit a lot of technology that was developed for the Su-35 and subsequently Su-30MKI and obviously even beyond that with systems from the T-50.

[Guest IguanaKing]

I see quite a bit of the F-22 is those drawings, mainly in the nose, engine intakes, and empenage.

[SuperKungFu]

I see quite a bit of the F-22 is those drawings, mainly in the nose, engine intakes, and empenage.

 

Yes the T-50 does look a lot like the F-22.

If you haven't noticed, Russia usually copies the Western design and make it bigger and better. Think about it…

America comes out with the Rockwell’s B-1B Lancer (June 1985), 3 years later, Tupolev Tu-160 “Blackjack” comes out

NASA 1992 test X-29, Russia (4 years later) test Su-47 berkut

Lockheed’s C-5 Galaxy (1968), Antonov An-124 “Ruslan” (1982)

American Space Shuttle 1981, Russia built the Buran Space Shuttle (with almost the same exact design) in 1988

[Cobra360]

Can anyone say Raptorski, :D

[Cobra360]

But seriously I highly doubt the T-50 will look like those drawings. And I doubt Russia will produce a fighter that looks anything like the F/A-22 of F-35. Not saying they can't, just that they won't.

[SuperKungFu]

Why not? the aircraft design has been similar to the U.S. throughout the cold war...mind as well continue the tradition :rolleyes:

[Guest IguanaKing]

Actually, its not always the case that the Russians take design ideas from the west...sometimes its the other way around. The F-15, for example, got many of its design cues from the MiG-25. It was discovered later, however, that the F-15 represented a HUGE overestimation of the materials technology used on the Foxbat. Did you know that many SR-71s were built with Titanium that was smuggled out of the USSR by a CIA operation?

[SuperKungFu]

lol yea. The SR-71 story is pretty funny. The U.S. can't go up to russia and ask "hey...umm...we need to buy some Titanium for you guys because we're trying to build a spy plane to spy on you..." So mind as well just get it off the blackmarket lol. Anyway, so if what you say is true about the F-15 and the foxbat, then didn't Russia copy the F-15 design for the MiG-29 or the Su-27?

[Guest IguanaKing]

Actually, the CIA had an export firm right there inside the Soviet Union. They mined it and shipped it, all with the approval of the Soviet government. The Soviets didn't know it was a CIA sponsored operation. ;) I wouldn't necessarily say the MiG-29 and Su-27 are based on the F-15. The Su-27, for example, seems to be based on much the same aerodynamic design concepts as the F-14, neither aircraft has much for a fuselage, they're mostly lifting area. Incidentally, the Tu-160 was first photographed by a passenger on an airliner at the same airport the Tu-160 was being flown from. The photo ended up in the 1984 edition of Soviet Military Power, a publication which was distributed for free at airshows and US military base open-houses...I once had a copy of it.

[Weta43]

SuperKungFu: Re

"If you haven't noticed, Russia usually copies the Western design and make it bigger and better."

 

I'm with IguanaKing on this ..

Ever seen a Kangaroo rat ? no-one "copied" it off a Kangaroo. Whales didn't copy fish & Emu aren't copies of Ostriches. Similar problems result in similar results.

It's quite posible that the design targets for both the USA & the USSR were informed by satelite photos & the work of "spys", but in the end, engineers with similar technologies trying to achieve similar ends tend to produce similar designs. (unless they work for SAAB)

The MIG-29 & SU27 resemble each other because they were working from the same data-sets.

[Force_Feedback]

NASA 1992 test X-29, Russia (4 years later) test Su-47 berkut

 

Not true, I have a coulouring book (Soviet made) from 1989 which features the Berkut (thus proving the design exhisted back then) flying in the skies, unless the design effort for the x-29 started in 1989 or earlier the su-47 is not a x-29 copy.

[Dudikoff]

Not true, I have a coulouring book (Soviet made) from 1989 which features the Berkut (thus proving the design exhisted back then) flying in the skies, unless the design effort for the x-29 started in 1989 or earlier the su-47 is not a x-29 copy.

 

X-29 design started earlier, of course, but it doesn't matter. I mean, honestly, who can say that S-37 is a copy of X-29? Besides inverted wings, they don't have anything in common. By that logic, X-29 is a pure copy of German Ju-287 bomber, plate by plate, albeit a little smaller :)

[tomcat1974]

Man...not even the Tu-4 was a 100% copy.

Everything was changed to metric system , meaning differend size of Aluminium sheets, different defensive arangements and guns. This required quite some extensive redesignes and recalculation.

[Shaman]

I wouldn't necessarily say the MiG-29 and Su-27 are based on the F-15.

At the end I would actually say that F-15 design is based on russian E-266 ;)

[Gazehound]

The reason some things look the same is due to convergent design paths. Having the same design goals will lead to a similar design often without any 'copying'. If you design a modern fighter with a low RCS, it will likely end up a lot like the F-22. A similar thing occured with the AIM-54 nad R-30(?) missiles. They look the same because they both serve the same function.

 

EDIT: R-33 not 30

[Kevlon]

why do you doubt that? I would say it makes sence that they would make a fighter that looks like these conseps. It's matching the F 22 , and it would also make sence if the Russians would like to make a stealth Fighter...

[Rocco]

He´s german, what do u expect? :)

[Force_Feedback]

But why a f-22? they can make it to match the Eurofighter, or like the YF-23, why taking the f-22 shape? (which looks like an ugly duck)

[D-Scythe]

But why a f-22? they can make it to match the Eurofighter, or like the YF-23, why taking the f-22 shape? (which looks like an ugly duck)

 

...but can eliminate groups of enemy fighters in seconds ;)

[GGTharos]

Especially with the new AIM-120X with 300nm range, active LPI radar seeker with 50nm range and low-yield nuclear warhead ;)