New Chinese fighter? SAC F60.

[combatace]

I concur with Weta43. Computers, music, systems, day-to-day use items, phones, other electronics, and many many more things are assembles and manufactured in China. Chinese transit systems are far better than any in western world. One more thing if you find some thing that is chinese and inferior it is because it was meant to be, the same items if you go to China and purchase it will have qualities equivalent to their western counter parts and less that half the price.

 

About SAC F60 if its not at par with F-22 then its ok but if they field 500 of the again 180 raptors who cares if they are only 90% as capable as raptor.

[4c Hajduk Veljko]

+1

 

Fifteen years ago, Chinese goods were obviously inferior. five years ago they were inferior if you looked carefully. Now everything you think is "American" is made in China, so they have access to state of the art production facilities (to 'emulate'), and the quality of their 'high end' goods is now on a par with the production of western industry.

 

These are exactly the comments that you would once have heard about the Japanese (poor production quality, only capable of derivation, no capacity for innovation), and time has shown how niave that was...

[EtherealN]

These are exactly the comments that you would once have heard about the Japanese (poor production quality, only capable of derivation, no capacity for innovation), and time has shown how niave that was...

 

And Taiwan. And ROK.

 

There is a reason why China has started to really squeeze it's rare earths exports etcetera - they want to use it themselves. And there is no question that they know how to use it.

 

We need to remember that China has, as policy, spent the last 30 years sending students all over the world to learn engineering and sciences, it would be quite silly to not expect that this will bear fruit.

[Eihort]

I'm confused.

 

It's quite clearly an almost like for like copy of the Raptor from an external point of view. I think we all know that the Raptor's external appearance is a direct result of it's required capability. It's shaped like it is for a low radar cross-section and aerodynamics etc.

 

There's a split screen comparison floating around the internet with the F-35 and the geometry is exactly the same on the front end. It's much more a twin engined F-35 than an F-22.

[Weta43]

It's much more a twin engined F-35 than an F-22.

So a Yak-141 derivative then ?

Because while we're on the subject of innovation and emulation, remember that:

Lockheed MartinFollowing the announcement by the CIS that it could no longer fund development of the Yak-41M, Yakovlev immediately entered into discussions with several foreign partners who could help fund the program (a tactic they were also pursuing for development of the Yak-130 trainer, which was eventually developed in partnership with Aermacchi of Italy). Lockheed Martin, which was in the process of developing the X-35 for the US Joint Strike Fighter program, quickly stepped forward, and with their assistance 48-2 was displayed at the Farnborough Airshow in September 1992. Yakovlev announced that they had reached an agreement with Lockheed-Martin for funds of $385 to $400 million for three new prototypes and an additional static test aircraft to test improvements in design and avionics. Planned modifications for the proposed Yak-41M included an increase in STOL weight to 21,500 kg (47,400 lb). One of the prototypes would have been a dual-control trainer. Though no longer flyable, both 48-2 and 48-3 were exhibited at the 1993 Moscow airshow. The partnership began in late 1991, though it was not publicly revealed by Yakovlev until 6 September 1992, and was not revealed by Lockheed-Martin until June 1994.

Edited November 1, 2012 by Weta43

[Vekkinho]

^^^

Yup!

[Cali]

Aircraft are all copies of something. If something works.....why not use it?

[marcos]

F-35 a copy of YAK-141 just because it has VTOL?

[EtherealN]

F-35 a copy of YAK-141 just because it has VTOL?

 

Read the text.

(And there's a difference between copy and derivative.)

[EtherealN]

Aircraft are all copies of something. If something works.....why not use it?

 

Indeed. There's no compulsion to reinvent the steering wheel with every new model of automobile either. If you have something that works, you use it. Sometimes with modification necessary either for function or performance.

[marcos]

Read the text.

(And there's a difference between copy and derivative.)

I read the text and I'm stupider for it.