rolling and pitching violently for no reason

[Stuntie]

soon as i said ( I use a keyboard) all that was done wiht 2 pages was say how it cant be done and how i NEED a joystick,then i said "i tried using a xbox controller" then for 4 pages i was told how it wouldnt work lol and thing is i have a joystick and its set up the same way the controller is.and my friend has been tinkering with it all day and unless we loose some control with entire plane, a slight twitch to the left will put the plane on its side,im gona be playing with the settings regardless till their perfect,i might even look around in the .cfg as some friends said to look into.im gona be getting a sim package i made (more RAM,Throttles,Peddles,FlightDisplays,Flight Wheel) for FSX in the coming months,

 

Yes you can fly with keyboard or xbox - same as you can drive with just one gear and an on/off accelerator pedal. But you are doing it the hard way. Proving that it can be done with inferior tools is one thing. Doing it the best way though makes life easier for you.

 

People here have been simming years or even decades. They have been there done that, and when they say use a joystick it is fellow simmers giving good advice. Once you get used to a joystick going back to an xbox controller is like going back to the stone age.

 

Don't set it up in the same way as a controller. Do that and all you do is mimic the Xbox controller that is a second rate method of controlling a plane. The key board is even worse - 4th rate at best.

Set it up totally default and try with that. Remember though that these planes require very small smooth movements - think moving a glass of water around, or swirling it but not splashing and spilling it. Don't yank it side to side like an xbox controller - they work differently with coding smoothing and force proportion modification etc. A joystick is true control surface deflection as occured on the actual plane.

 

It is how planes fly - they all have joysticks or yokes (which are simply joysticks with the roll and pitch movements separated out ). The only aircraft I have ever come across that didn't is the original Wright Flyer that used a weird hip cradle for roll control. But even the Wrights switched to a better joystick arrangement for there following models.

 

Fighters are very twitchy - they need to be for dogfighting. They can be a right 'female cannine' to fly till you get the feel for them. Pilots that failed to gain that feel were downgraded to more stable planes like heavy bombers. One you get a feel for how twitchy they are you can dial it down to your liking if you wish. Also try the A-10 with the joystick to compare the two as that is a pretty stable plane with modern flight assistance systems to take the twitchyness away.

[Soulres]

asd

kay gona summarize for you,

 

they said it is impossible to use a xbox360 controller,

 

Yes full joystick pedals,throttle,flight displays,make flying simpler,and they ARE on my to buy list,i have them all lined up on amazon,just because i bring it up doesnt mean they have to use it,some people dont want to buy ssomething extra just to play a game they just paid for,the xbox controller or keyboard should be setup easier,so new players can say" ohh i see,this is pretty cool,but itd be eaiser with a joystick (goes and buys joystick)the way it is now is kinda derpish(hey this game looks good,oh i cant get off the ground,this kinda sucks..)

 

i didnt choose to set it up as the same,it wound up that way by coincidence,i reset the settings for the joystick started from scratch,

 

Yes all planes fly with joysticks,but not everyone wants to pay for a game, then buy somthing extra theyd only use for that game,just to see if they even like it,DCS:World isnt promoted very well at all and should be everywhere in ads.

 

I understand Fighters are twitchy, but with FSX a passenger(and F/A-18) plane reacted teh same way, and i turned the Dampener up,woom bam, controls were slightly stiffer.

 

yes i got the twitchy ness down,but again i would like it to be slightlyless,as everyone saw,the flight stick was moving everywhere but the plane was flying fine, idont even really notice that im moving it that much,love the plane,love the xbox controller,

 

this is what im getting

Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X Flight Stick

 

Pro Flight Instrument Panel

 

thats about it for now,gona keep lookin for some pedals that arnt 89$ x3

[cichlidfan]

 

this is what im getting

 

Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas X Flight Stick

 

Pro Flight Instrument Panel

 

thats about it for now,gona keep lookin for some pedals that arnt 89$ x3

 

I just have to ask, how a $100+ instrument panel, that displays stuff already on your screen and can only be used in FSX and Xplane, seems like a better place to spend money than rudder pedals?

 

http://www.amazon.com/Saitek-Pro-Flight-Rudder-Pedals/dp/B000H67DDY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1347804137&sr=8-1&keywords=rudder+pedals

 

^^^ Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals -- $86.99

 

Your quote, not mine.

 

...but not everyone wants to pay for a game, then buy somthing extra theyd only use for that game...

 

 

You will like that stick. For the money it is outstanding.

Edited September 16, 2012 by cichlidfan

[Krebs20]

Rudder pedals and Track IR before the instrument panel.

[159th_Viper]

kay gona summarize for you,

 

they said it is impossible to use a xbox360 controller......

 

Oh cm'on on now enough with that chant - you and I both know that is absolute rubbish.

 

You were told that it will be impossible to fly properly with a xbox controller, which I'm sure you understand to be different from being impossible to fly, fullstop. Judging by your day #3 track, the advice still rings true - you cannot fly properly ;)

 

That said, there is no set standard for you to adhere to in flying the SIM: It is yours to do with as you please. Just don't make the mistake of believing that you are able to fly the Mustang properly. You can fly it, yes. You will however never be able to say that you fly it properly, not until you trade the controller for a Flight-stick, that is, or given the inevitable progression of time and/or axis/hardware tweaking, you do indeed get to the stage where it resembles 'proper' flight. At this stage, it does not.

[cichlidfan]

Here is someone selling those same pedals on ebay.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=1552744#post1552744

[Soulres]

too long of a post

you obviously troll this forum freely,not surprised, and as me and another member both told you to stop posting,i play Fsx aswell, i am NOT getting it for JUST ONE GAME Fsx,xplane(mayby if it improves) if they work for FSX. WOO, if they work for DCS , WOO, if they dont work with DCS , DONT CARE :D

Oh cm'on on now enough with that chant - you and I both know that is absolute rubbish.

day 4 (5 hours total flight time)im sure no ones flight was 'Proper' XD!~ still have much to do and learn, ya dont need a joystick to fly properly,if you belive otherwise then you obviously dont know how to fly on a budget and belive your a good pilot with expensiv stuff the P51 didnt even dream of when it was designed Rudder,Elevators,Ailerons, Trigger.(idk if theirs 2 or not) thats all my controller is keyed for,(that and looking around) way i see it, if i can fly proper and straight with something you all frown upon, when i get a actual joystick with 20 buttons on it,i should be pretty set when it comes to taking out people who know nothing but what money can buy, P51d vs ME262 old tech(skillful) V hightech(skillless)

Rudder pedals and Track IR before the instrument panel.

as long as the joystick rotates left or right (for rudder) ill be okay, Track IR CAN wait,its mostly for fsx,i put my buy list up incase someone new better cheaper equipment,but all this forum does right is tell you your wrong.:Dthanks tho

Try as you might, you are not going to drive a nail into a 2x4 with a banana........trust me, give it up.

im pretty certain ive dominated this thread,please feel free to use the exit to your right or left,and enjoy your stay,ED's people skills need a real big bug fix, :D im done here, happy flying!

[Krebs20]

No one from ED has posted here. Still looking for someone.

 

You are buying the instruments for one game. FSX. It still will not assist you in flying the P51. Posting that information in the DCS forum will only give you one response. Doesn't work.

 

When you do buy new hardware, you will have to unlearn all the bad habits your controller is teaching you.

[Jona33]

you obviously troll this forum freely,not surprised, and as me and another member both told you to stop posting,i play Fsx aswell, i am NOT getting it for JUST ONE GAME Fsx,xplane(mayby if it improves) if they work for FSX. WOO, if they work for DCS , WOO, if they dont work with DCS , DONT CARE :D

 

Actually getting an instrument panel that only works in FSX is getting it for 1 game. Pedals work in all games and are far more useful. The fact that cichidflan is one of the more respected members round here compared to an arrogant fool who can't take advice says a lot about you.

[sobek]

Alright, that's enough of the name calling. Thread closed.