Is there any type of training at all for the MIG-29?

[RonUSMC]

I'm new to Flaming Cliffs, but have been playing A-10 for a year or so. I have all the modules and most of them have downloadable exe's to install videos for training. I have watched most of the videos, but they don't touch on the MIG-29 at all. I watched the SU-27 video, but the radar is different in regards to the HUD.

 

 

Are there any videos people can recommend so I can learn how to use the radar and lock up targets? I can currently use mode 3 pretty well, beyond that its a fog.

 

Thanks.

[Kuky]

MiG-29 radar works in same way as Su-27, it's just shorter range, also in Su-27 you don't get pylons visible in HUD but on MiG you do. Also the MiG-29S version should have ability to target and shoot at 2 different aircraft in TWS mode but this doesn't seem to be implemented yet, also there is a bug where you can't lock contacts in TWS mode.

[RonUSMC]

KUKY, I tried using the modes as described in the video... but they do not work nor show any status changes like they do in the video.

 

Thanks XAOS. I watched all of those videos already and none of them touch on the MIG-29. The closest was the SU-27, but the modes are very different than the MIG-29, so the commands do not work the same.

[ErichVon]

In FC2, there are training missions for the Mig-29 and Mig-29S and the FC2 book has some stuff specific in the Flight Manual to its cockpit layout. The Su-27, Su-33 and Mig-29 use the same HUD and HDD operational modes and weapons delivery procedures are the same for the 27, 33, 29A and 29S. My FC2 book is dated 2010.

 

In the VNAO Stallturn server the F-18 uses the Mig-29 cockpit, so I had to learn it. If I can learn it, anybody can...

[RonUSMC]

Sorry I didn't clarify, but I am talking about Flaming Cliffs 3.0, and it did not come with a book.

 

Are you saying that the Flaming Cliffs 2 models are the same as Flaming Cliffs 3?

 

Could you please point me to a video or anything that you have so I can learn please.

 

 

EDIT:

 

I just noticed you moved me to Lockon. It's a module for DCS World, so why would you move the thread to here? Isn't this game the older stand alone version? Just curious.

 

EDIT 2:

 

I just noticed the entire board is full of FC3 info. Weird that it isn't in DCS World.

Edited November 18, 2012 by RonUSMC

[Ironhand]

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I just noticed you moved me to Lockon. It's a module for DCS World, so why would you move the thread to here? Isn't this game the older stand alone version? Just curious.

 

EDIT 2:

 

I just noticed the entire board is full of FC3 info. Weird that it isn't in DCS World.

Think of it this way. Your simming experience with Eagle Dynamics is a wheel. DCS-World is the hub. Each module is a spoke in that wheel. Black Shark, P-51D, A-10C, Combines Arms (CA), the Su-25T (part of the original Flaming Cliffs series), and now Flaming Cliffs 3 are all spokes that plug into that hub to form your simming wheel. And as time goes on, the more spokes there are the stronger the wheel becomes. One hopes, anyway. :)

 

 

Rich

Edited November 19, 2012 by Ironhand
forgot the -25T....somehow

[Ironhand]

Sorry I didn't clarify, but I am talking about Flaming Cliffs 3.0, and it did not come with a book.

 

Actually, FC3 comes with a PDF manual and that you'll find in your DCS World/Mods/aircrafts/Flaming Cliffs/Doc folder. Start on page 32 with BVR Modes. It's all described there and, in fact, the HUD looks like the MiG-29 HUD.

 

I don't know how familiar you are with the Mission Editor in order to create missions for yourself nor do I have a clue about your present skill level in general. So, below are two identical missions. One has you in a MiG-29 and one in an Su-27 in case you want to compare HUDs but, for all intents and purposes, there isn't much difference between them. The three targets are non-maneuvering and non-aggressive so you can play around without getting blasted out of the sky.

 

 

Hope this helps a bit.

 

EDIT: Just an edit to add that, at the moment, the DLZs (Dynamic Launch Zone) for the various missiles is broken in STT Mode (Single Target Track), when you lock a target in LRS (Long Range Scan) Mode. All the missiles you carry will show the same range capability. For the present the correct DLZs only show up in TWS Mode.

 

 

Rich

Edited November 19, 2012 by Ironhand

[ErichVon]

Sorry I didn't clarify, but I am talking about Flaming Cliffs 3.0, and it did not come with a book.

 

Are you saying that the Flaming Cliffs 2 models are the same as Flaming Cliffs 3?

 

Could you please point me to a video or anything that you have so I can learn please.

 

 

EDIT:

 

I just noticed you moved me to Lockon. It's a module for DCS World, so why would you move the thread to here? Isn't this game the older stand alone version? Just curious.

 

EDIT 2:

 

I just noticed the entire board is full of FC3 info. Weird that it isn't in DCS World.

 

Hi,

 

I noticed you stated FC3. I don't have it, yet. The betas for me are too much playing around, stuff doesn't work or doesn't work properly, the gurus are still experimenting and the guys that have it are the test bed think tank to work out the problems.

 

So, I referred to FC2 instead. The scuttlebutt before the beta release of FC3 was in DCS World, FC3 was going to be FC2 basically with some improvements like an improved F-15 but World friendly so to have fighter jets in an air combat environment to play with and interact with the DCS platform.

 

I'm still learning FC2. I have not used any video training. The way I learn, I just dive in, make mistakes, then read up what I am doing wrong and fly with others and pickup tidbits as I slowly pick it up.

 

I started with FC2 January 2011 but I did not go very deep into it. I needed a controller profile for my CH Products gear. I Google searched for "CH Products profile+DCS" . The user here Konkussion was top of the list. He was most helpful and he had a profile for the new final release of A-10C. I spent most of last year with the DCS Warthog. And most of this year with DCS Black Shark both 1 and 2.

 

I got into the Naval Aviation sim by user Moa and his Stallturn server about 3 months ago. His server is based on FC2. His F-14 is the F-15 FC2 cockpit and the F-18 is the Mig-29 FC2 cockpit for ground attack but both with a tail-hook and the USA carrier Carl Vinson. Now I had to sit down and learn the FC2 aircraft. A few guys hang out to his server to learn from. But I mostly go solo and jump in with both feet.

 

All the DCS/FC2 aircraft have an online .pdf Flight Manual for each plane. Except for the search capability of the online manual, I prefer a book. The books are dated and some things change relative to the newer online manuals which will update my/your learning journey.

 

Sorry to have mislead you, but I think learning FC2 suffices well enough. But I am not a purist.

 

You want to learn the Mig-29, look-up user BlackCat on the FC2 Multiplayer, find the Stallturn server and fly the F-18. He tends to be on about 4AM/5AM Eastern Time Zone when the Stallturn server usually resets and there will be lots of aerial targets to shoot at... but the AI jets shoot back as well as the real people do! He is back on 6PM to midnight most days. He is Pacific Time Zone. What is fun is flying the Russian side Mig-29K with hook. I prefer the Russian jets for various reasons. Stallturn server is 24/7 so pitch black night ops are fun and it is also Black Shark friendly. Don't know if Moa will convert his server to FC3 friendly.

 

I purchased the FC1/FC2 LockOn Platinum boxed set at Best Buy about 2 years ago for $20. And then I updated it to version 1.2.1 You will need to make a virgin backup copy, then add the Stallturn Mod copy to access the New Zealand based server.

 

http://www.stallturn.com/wiki/

 

http://www.virtualnavairops.com/

 

It is a lot of work going this route. You might better find help to FC3 and find a squad to fly with and learn from. These guys are good:

 

http://www.104thphoenix.com/

 

 

My big problem is my memory at age 61. Last year I had the Warthog down. Right now, I hop into it, I forget how to cold start it on the ramp by memory without using a checklist. I need to fly what I know frequently. DCS is the only game I play because of my memory issues.

 

More than you wanted to know, for sure...

Edited November 19, 2012 by ErichVon
grammar / typos

[tspencer227]

Rich, are those FC2 missions ported over, or new creations?

[Ironhand]

Rich, are those FC2 missions ported over, or new creations?

The missions in my post? That's something I made with FC3. Just a very simple shoot 'em with impunity mission. You against unarmed transports.

 

 

Rich

[Kuky]

KUKY, I tried using the modes as described in the video... but they do not work nor show any status changes like they do in the video.

 

Thanks XAOS. I watched all of those videos already and none of them touch on the MIG-29. The closest was the SU-27, but the modes are very different than the MIG-29, so the commands do not work the same.

All key commands for Su-27 and MiG-29 versions are the same and HUD symbollogy is the same also and unchanged from FC2 version (I use same HOTAS Cougar Foxy profile that I used in FC2). So what ever works for Su-27 works for MiG-29 also. The only differences are shorter range on the MiGs and back in FC2 EOS was slewable vertically, now in FC3 it's not.

[RonUSMC]

Ironhand. Kuky and Erich, I want to thank you all for taking the time to post replies to my question. They are very helpful and they did answer my question. Thank you also for taking the time to create missions, etc.

 

 

 

I found out what my problem was. I had to ask one of the gurus in our group.

 

I have the MIG29 mapped out on my HOTAS, but none of the radar switches would work. The problem was when I was going through my "turn on" key presses, I was also hitting the "O" key, because it said optical or something. I thought it turned on the target cursor.

 

The "O" key actually switched the types of radar to a smaller infrared radar, hence turning off the main radar. Because I hit it everytime, the main radar never functioned correctly.

 

Thank you all so much.

 

We have a group of 10-20 who go flying just about every night, if any of you want to join. We are mainly a group from Reddit and hang out on our Teamspeak server playing DCS and other games, please drop by if you want to chat or fly some time.

 

Teamspeak3: hoggit.us

[Azrayen]

OK, you sorted it, good :)

 

Now, to avoid further confusion, let's use the correct & precise terminology:

- the radar is unique in MiG-29, Su-27... a radar uses radiowaves.

- those fighters also have an EOS, which is an optical/laser device. It does not use radiowaves (but it uses laser)

 

Radar and EOS share the same "main purpose" (i.e. search & track targets), but feature a (very) different technology. You have to know those differences to use both the radar/EOS efficiently, IMO. :)

 

Cheers

Az'