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sparchy · November 25, 2012

I have asked this but I was told I was in the wrong thread. So I will start a new thread to see what the response is. Why is it that before the 1.2.2 update everything was working fine. Getting decent frame rates around 30 which I can tolerate. Since then the only thing ever done was to do the update. No other programs installed no new websites visited, nothing changed other then the update. Since the update I am now running around 1- 3 frames rendereing the entire collection useless. I keep hearing clear this cache do this do that and yet it doesn't help. I didn't even purchase the FC3 Module. Everything stayed the same as far as modules go. Yet it's unplayable and the load times have tanked. 8 Minutes to get to the breifing room is a bit much. Granted I like the extra toys but there has to be a happy balance between graphics and playability. I for one can't just rush out to get a new piece of hardware everytime they do an update. So my question is simply this. Why and what cause it to go south so quickly just because of an update?

CharlieMike24 · November 25, 2012

Which modules, if any, have you got installed?

Several threads already on slow loading. Have a look and see if there's anything that helps.

sparchy · November 25, 2012

BS2, P-51, A-10C and thats it. Nothing changed there. As far as the slow times I can deal with that. But the FPS tanking is a different story

AtaliaA1 · November 25, 2012

BS2, P-51, A-10C and thats it. Nothing changed there. As far as the slow times I can deal with that. But the FPS tanking is a different story

What are your system specs. I do know that there were improvements to the visual quality of the sim. this may add to your inplayability. But there are things you can do to increase the FPS. so let us know what you are running and I will get it up to snuff for you.

CharlieMike24 · November 25, 2012

What are your system specs. I do know that there were improvements to the visual quality of the sim. this may add to your inplayability. But there are things you can do to increase the FPS. so let us know what you are running and I will get it up to snuff for you.

I think that sparchy's main issue is with slow loading. There are a few threads on this and its not clear that its system performance-related.

@sparchy If you have the patience, I'd suggest uninstalling the whole lot, then reinstalling all modules one by one other than BS2. This worked for me, still cant play BS2 in DCS:W though. :(

G-Lock91 · November 25, 2012

Since the update I am now running around 1- 3 frames rendereing the entire collection useless.

I think that sparchy's main issue is with slow loading. There are a few threads on this and its not clear that its system performance-related.

This is a game breaker for sure. Slow loading I'm sure he can deal with, though you shouldn't have too considering that it worked fine with the previous patch... I can't enjoy the sim either because of this, and I've purchased everything but FC3. It's disappointing to want to be a loyal customer but feel like you're getting crapped on because of issues that are present now that weren't in the past. I hope you can get it figured out to where you can fly.. As mentioned there are some threads that you may find useful.

sparchy · November 25, 2012

I can deal with the slow loading but the FPS is the show stopper and yes I have did a complete un-install and re-install and to the same result

Hamblue · November 26, 2012

Any chance that you found a good configuration in the last version and the update wiped the settings out? You might have to go through it all again. I would set everything to it's lowest setting and adjust each higher one or 2 at a time to find the right mix.

Lange_666 · November 26, 2012

I have did a complete un-install and re-install and to the same result

There are some more questions:

Did you install like you did before, ie an older DCS World (like 1.2.0 or so) and then let it update itself to 1.2.2?

If you installed it this way, did you try the older version before you updated it (remove your internet connection to prevent the auto update)?

Or did you download the 1.2.2 version and install that one from scratch?

Did you run DCS World without any modules installed (clean DCS World install and just fly the Su-25 as a test)?

Did you try the above with a cleared Saved Games directory or did you leave everything in there and installed DCS over it?

AtaliaA1 · November 26, 2012

This seems to me to be a problem with his hardware and the new graphics engine.

He will end up going back to the 1.1.1.1. ver. to get better FPS. He doesn't want to give us the system specs or he missed my post all together.

I don't understand why people say they are giving up on the software because the latest ver. doesn't run on their machine. Just go back to the one that worked until it's ironed out. No Biggy.

sparchy · November 28, 2012

Win 7, Running 8 gig of ddr2 ram, AMD 8450 triple core, with a GT9600 video card. I was referring to the DCS Update that last came out. I ran World with just the SU25 loaded it worked fine. It's when you put the modules back in that it drops to 3 FPS. Now when it comes to running the standalone verisons of A10C and BS2 they work fine. Good Frame rates. It when I try to run them in world things go south. I have not loaded FC3 yet so as far as any new modules there are none yet. I don't even mind the long long load times provided I can fly the sim. But in the case I can't even do that. So again I ask what changed so dramatically between this version and the last to kill the frames rates? It wasn't my machine that changed. Thats the point I am making it was working with the same machine. Now it's not. No changes to the opsys no changes to software other then this update. No other 3rd party software was introduced. The machine is exactly the same as it was prior to the last update. Was there any official changes to the required system specs posted for the new verison? Not that I can tell on the DCS website. As it states there I am well within system specs for DCS World. Here is what DCS has posted about what is needed both recommended ad Minimum. This is taken right from the DCS World page on DCS website.

Recommended system requirements: Operating system 64-bit: Windows Vista and 7; Processor: CPU: Core 2 Duo E8400, AMD Phenom X3 8750 or better; Memory: 4GB; Hard disk space: 7 GB; Video: Shader 3.0 or better; 896MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX260 DirectX 9.0c or better; Sound: DirectX 9.0c - compatible; DirectX: 9.0C; requires internet activation.

Minimum system requirements: Operating system: Windows XP, Vista or 7; Processor: Core 2 Duo 2.0 GHz; Memory: 3 GB; Free hard disk space: 7 GB; Video: 512 MB RAM card, DirectX 9 - compatible; Sound: DirectX 9.0c - compatible; requires internet activation.

I have watched the performance of the CPU and Ram Allocation and I come no where near close to burying it. CPU is running about 50 Percent and I use almost half of the ram when it loads.

Edited November 28, 2012 by sparchy

EtherealN · November 28, 2012

Could you upload a DxDiag?

This might possibly help crossreferencing to see if there is an issue with a specific hardware component or specific driver.

AtaliaA1 · November 28, 2012

Sparchy I got it, thanks for explaining it better.

I understand you completley, I am surprised to see such low recommended video cards (512 MB). This program pushes 5Gigs of data through a system at times, how that brakes down as far as Video Data and System Data I have no idea, but it is odd that with the updated visuals of this program the requirements are so low.

I do know that people with 2Gig cards have better FPS and it seems it would lower the amount of data being processed by the CPU.

Maybe EtherealN could shed some light on this one for us?. I would like to better understand the programs use of system hardware between the Video and Data, and how it is that such a highly complicated program could have such low recomended specs.

sparchy · December 3, 2012

Here are the links to my 32 and 64 DXdiags. Hope this helps. Sorry for delay in getting back to you. Work has been busy.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/?i50a2025ogj1odr

http://www.mediafire.com/view/?ook6i03ib974qiv

sparchy · December 7, 2012

Any ideas to try?

sparchy · December 7, 2012

So I downloaded just the stand alone version of BS2. Can't even activate it to try and see what frame rates I get there. So from what I can tell ED has rendered my DCS World and Modules totally useless. SO with the p51, BS2, and A10C rendered useless this figures out to be about $120.00 that I have blown and no recompense for it not to mention my time. I for the life of me can't figure out what ED did to me to get this kind of response. I really enjoyed the sim too.

EtherealN · December 7, 2012

Hi sparchy,

If you have activation problem with a product, please try the registry deletion file for it. You can find it at the bottom of this link: http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/faq/activation_wiki

Right-click and select "save as".

sparchy · December 7, 2012

I am just getting tired of fighting this issue with it. No Sim/Game should be this difficult. With Regards to installing or setting it up and running it. It's not like I am running any mods or skins or external software. It just shouldn't be this hard.

Now it saves the it as an MP3 both in chrome and in IE

Edited December 7, 2012 by sparchy

Lange_666 · December 7, 2012

Yeah, some of them have the .mp3 extention (by accident i guess) but just rename the file to a .reg extention and you are good to use it as intentioned.

EtherealN · December 8, 2012

Actually, no, they don't have it by accident - they have .reg. You can see this through mouse-hovering the links.

However, web browsers have this funny habit of not accepting that and renaming them. .reg isn't the only one there, I've seen IE rename .miz files into .zip as well.

The solution is to right-click and save as, except with IE where not even that helped last time I checked.

Lange_666 · December 8, 2012

Actually, no, they don't have it by accident - they have .reg. You can see this through mouse-hovering the links.

Yup correct, overlooked this one.

The solution is to right-click and save as, except with IE where not even that helped last time I checked.

Same goes for Opera, it keeps the .exe extention on Save As.

sparchy · December 8, 2012

Ok will give it a try. The other thing I did is did a restore on windows prior to all things breaking down. That way I make sure windows is correct. Only trully bad thing about doing that was that it reset the clock on my computer back to before our daylight savings time which made me an hour late for work. Yesterday was not my day LOL

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