Western biased .

[Teknetinium]

#47 of the Bug thread.

 

This matter is actively receiving attention from the relevant Dev and Testers. Keep in mind that all missile improvements fall under the continual modelling of the Advanced Flight Model for missiles (as confirmed previously) and accordingly are on the cards for development. Not all fixes/updates are/will be attended to as a matter of urgency but,as said, it is an ongoing process where patience is required.

 

This problem could be solved same way as F-15s TWS. Even if the missile dynamics is not modeled all the way the pilot dont get lunch warning until aim-120 is active. Same could be applied for ERs and ET to emit the TWS effect.

Edited December 3, 2012 by Teknetinium

[159th_Viper]

This problem could be solved same way as F-15s TWS. Even if the missile dynamics is not modeled all the way the pilot dont get lunch warning until aim-120 is active. Same could be applied for ERs and ET to emit the TWS effect.

 

Good suggestion - I added a note detailing the suggestion together with your quote to the submitted Bug report.

[Kuky]

Viper, what Tek is saying is exactly the same what I posted while back, and that is that R-27 missiles should have inertial guidance modeled where missile launch should not trigger warning on the RWR of the targeted aircraft, and once the missile is close to target and switches to STT guidance mode, only then RWR on targeted aircraft should get missile launch warning. Basically the difference between ARH missile and SARH missile is that SARH will need to keep lock on target (ok, we all know this) but there should not be missile launch warning straight away as we have in sim now.

 

Come to think of it, F4/BMS has this working exactly like this meaning it has INS guidance modeled.

 

Because of this INS guidance the R-27ER is able to outreach the 120 and 77 by good margin as it's not supposed to go SARH guidance straight away and all the way causing it to bleed energy constantly because it constantly needs to maneuver to track target.

[159th_Viper]

but there should not be missile launch warning straight away as we have in sim now.....

 

Which might be a reasonable 'workaround' at present while the AFM for missiles is being worked on. In any event and as said, noted in the report submitted.

[Frostie]

As Viper states this stuff should be brought up in the FC3 Beta bug thread.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=1620824#post1620824

FC3 is still Beta and many things that are not correct are not done so I should imagine, for a biased reason. This current thread is way off base and is basically a whine thread, any fixes or problems that need highlighting are just going to look that way.

 

 

The port over to FC3 brought up some errors, that hopefully will be fixed. The claim that there is bias behaviour is just not there. They gave the missiles AFM which creates it's own problems in how these missiles behave regarding their flight path, they gave the F-15 a nice pit, it needed it, they are introducing a new model Flanker, they screwed the EOS up, it's in the bug thread, they've screwed TWS up, it's in the bug thread. That is why Beta was opened up, for the public to help highlight these bugs not to laugh at us struggling to come to terms using a partly screwed up FC.

 

 

ED make DCS:JAS Gripen for Tek asap. :thumbup:

[159th_Viper]

This current thread is way off base and is basically a whine thread, any fixes or problems that need highlighting are just going to look that way.

 

I agree and am fairly certain that the original posts question has long ago been dealt with or got lost in the derailment that followed.

 

I'm going to close this one down now, if for no other reason that to divert this now-constructive discussion to the FC3 bug thread as linked to above.

[GGTharos]

Okay, I will put a stop to this BS right now.

 

Many missiles, including the R-27 radar guided family lack INS. I have submitted a bug regarding this a while ago.

 

R-27's CANNOT be launched in TWS, and you WILL get a warning on the RWR the moment the radar goes into guidance mode when you hit the pickle, not whenever you feel like they should. The fire control system goes into guidance mode when you fire, period, end of story. Got a technical manual that says otherwise? ED will look at it.

 

R-27E's do NOT use M-Link, they are lock-before-launch ONLY.

 

All R-27's implement PN navigation all the way to target, insofar as we have been able to discover in research. Yes, Falcon got this stuff wrong and persists in continuing to get it wrong.

 

INS is used by the R-27 as was correctly mentioned to get the missile close enough to the target before searching for it with the seeker in order to gain a strong enough reflection - saves on battery time. The way this happens is MCU's from the radar in guidance mode (it generates MCU's immediately when firing the missile from STT) and the INS steers the missile to the computed activation point based on the latest received target data from the MCUs. There's no funky launch-in-TWS-and-STT-later.

 

I don't know where people came up with these launch R-27's in TWS fairy tales, but that never was and will not be the way those missiles work.

Edited December 3, 2012 by GGTharos

[EtherealN]

LOL, was it that you wanted to tell me as answer to why it fine the way it is, Pointless arguments, Then You can fly single player and shot don Mig-21s in you F-15LOL, Have fun.

 

You are aware of the fact that I fly mainly online, no?

 

Seriously, you need to stop for a moment and listen to what I say.

 

And for you knowledge Soviets used MIG-31 Mig-29 and Su-27 to take upon F-15s.

 

And for your knowledge the americans and soviets never were in a shooting war. I can play the history class game just as well as anyone - hell, better than most. ;)

 

Is there a single beta tester left who has passion for Russian birds, Im sure you are not one of them?

 

You are sure of a lot of things because you refuse to use your eyes. Your assumption is that anyone that does not completely ignore the problems with the F-15 and constantly fret and bite nails over problems with red birds hates said red birds. And that's just silly, that is "blinkers on" as Viper said. Since you're swedish and might not be aware of the word, it is "skygglappar" in your native language. It applies.

 

For your information, my favorite aircraft of all time (aside for AT-802U) is the A-Frog, with MiG-29 coming in second. Why? No real reason why, except that I built model kits of them as a kid. My brother built american jets, but I thought they were ugly. For helicopters my fav would be the Black Shark, caused by Novalogic's old game, the one with the same engine as Comanche Maximum Overkill.

 

Conspiquously very little american in there, don't you think? :) Seriously Tek, people aren't out to get you, there is no big conspiracy and tin foil is useless.

 

And finally, just like I said: you are ignoring statements by ED personnel in this thread, you are also ignoring the fact that MP is a minority. Seriously, this is a big deal. Basic business 101 dictates that you have to take care of your customers, and in the case of DCS the simple fact is that I'd be surprised if even 1% of customers play MP. I highly doubt you don't understand that building the entire product around the wishes of such a minority is a very very stupid idea; especially since it's only a minority of that little minority that agree with your request too...