TWS for MiG29s

[59th_Buncsi]

But we have the relfex to turn away when he launched :D

[GGTharos]

There's no way to tell if an MCU means the guidance is on you since they are carried on the side-lobes, meaning you can pick them up even if the actual target is separated by quite a bit.

 

Unless you can decode the MCU ... but then we wouldn't know about such things.

 

Well hopefully it will include the same zero MCUpickup/launch warning by RWR's that the F-15's enjoy with TWS, that will mean that the bandits will not know they've been launched on, this is a game changer IMO.

[Frostie]

If you've been facing F-15C's all these years in the FC series and you don't know that a TWS launch is coming, well, what can I say ...

 

 

The great thing now is that 29 nails on the TEWS means danger whether you're locked or not, for F-15 pilots not having enemy 15's popping up on your RWR so not fearing the active missile/TWS launch while you're in the stratosphere will soon be, thankfully, old news.

F-15 pilots are so used to that fact while Russian pilots already expect every threat to be a TWS shot. ;)

Edited January 8, 2013 by Frostie

[GGTharos]

Everyone does. Some people just ignore it.

 

But we have the relfex to turn away when he launched :D

[EtherealN]

Well, good F-15 pilots (that is, NOT me! :D ) will however be used to the risks of IR shots with fairly long legs. The ability for reds to do "silent launch" won't exactly be new.

 

It is a neat feature though and I'm happy to see it, it'll certainly make things interesting. But considering how seldom I use multiple-launch capability with the F-15 I have a hard time seeing it as a huge game changer.

[GGTharos]

I guess if you're talking about the HL crowd that might be true.

 

The great thing now is that 29 nails on the TEWS means danger whether you're locked or not, for F-15 pilots not having enemy 15's popping up on your RWR so not fearing the active missile/TWS launch while you're in the stratosphere will soon be, thankfully, old news.

F-15 pilots are so used to that fact while Russian pilots already expect every threat to be a TWS shot. ;)

[Sov13t]

Mmmyeah, single target TWS shots should be made possible as well.

 

I guess if you're talking about the HL crowd that might be true.

 

Man, HL hasn't been around for years now... out of touch? :D

[GGTharos]

You can do single target TWS ... just don't shoot the second one.

 

My understanding is that the devs implemented the radar automation as it is there. You're not really losing much by the automatic prioritization.

[Sov13t]

You can do single target TWS ... just don't shoot the second one.

 

My understanding is that the devs implemented the radar automation as it is there. You're not really losing much by the automatic prioritization.

 

What if there is no second target? Also in the video while the primary target is selected by the pilot, the first shot still goes onto the second target instead of the primary target first.

 

I guess things are being polished still.

 

Bring on TWS shots for SU-27 without MCUs but with terminal STT ;)

[Frostie]

I guess if you're talking about the HL crowd that might be true.

I don't doubt you or anyones ability to be ready, i'm just proclaiming the very fact of the necessity to be ready will change how the 29 nail is perceived.

[blkspade]

Yeah the Mig-29 TWS won't change things that much, especially for the well practiced. Head to head the F-15 radar has no problem clearly identifying the the Russian jets regardless of the RWR reading. So treat the Mig-29C like another F-15 or AI Su-30.

[GGTharos]

Yes, it's a WIP.

 

What if there is no second target? Also in the video while the primary target is selected by the pilot, the first shot still goes onto the second target instead of the primary target first.

 

I guess things are being polished still.

 

Bring on TWS shots for SU-27 without MCUs but with terminal STT ;)

 

Pretty sure that's not part of the repertoire.

[Pyroflash]

Yeah the Mig-29 TWS won't change things that much, especially for the well practiced. Head to head the F-15 radar has no problem clearly identifying the the Russian jets regardless of the RWR reading. So treat the Mig-29C like another F-15 or AI Su-30.

 

No, this is going to be great for Eagle drivers! The MiG pilots are going to be overjoyed by their new TWS and completely miss my AMRAAMs :D

[GGTharos]

You are certainly right about that. Things will get much better and much worse at the same time :D

 

I don't doubt you or anyones ability to be ready, i'm just proclaiming the very fact of the necessity to be ready will change how the 29 nail is perceived.

[danilop]

No, this is going to be great for Eagle drivers! The MiG pilots are going to be overjoyed by their new TWS and completely miss my AMRAAMs

 

You will hardly ever see experienced MIG29 driver going head to head with F15/uber AMRAAM online. That would be foolish and noobish. Expect Su 27 head on, firing r27er to keep you turning, while MiGs are extremely low or high painting you with EOS - when in adequate range it's radar&R77 time.

 

You won't now how/what happened if you're overconfident ... :D

 

Moral of the story - do not underestimate inferior technology if operated by trained and experienced people ;)

[Pilotasso]

The great thing now is that 29 nails on the TEWS means danger whether you're locked or not, for F-15 pilots not having enemy 15's popping up on your RWR so not fearing the active missile/TWS launch while you're in the stratosphere will soon be, thankfully, old news.

F-15 pilots are so used to that fact while Russian pilots already expect every threat to be a TWS shot. ;)

 

I can assure you I wont change the stratosphere tactic, never did when facing other F-15's and wont start because of the mig. I speak for myself but I suspect alot of others would agree ;)

[Darkwolf]

Sorry to interfere with the TWS story, but can one resume me the stratosphere tactic in a few words please ?

 

Thanks :)

[Sov13t]

Sorry to interfere with the TWS story, but can one resume me the stratosphere tactic in a few words please ?

 

Thanks :)

 

No problem! It is rather simple:

 

1. Take off.

2. Climb into space.

3. When you start running out of speed you are too heavy... dump your fuel tanks... and oh yeah those missiles! Shoot them as many as you have at anything that is enemy... but even if it is not, still shoot!

4. Run back to base full burners nose down 60 degrees at Mach 5.

5. Rinse and repeat.

 

A lot of fun, see those noobs burn. :lol:

 

EDIT: If you are ever threatened, go to step 4. If you feel safe go to step 2.

Edited January 8, 2013 by Sov13t

[Pilotasso]

It doesnt matter what weapon is loaded onto the F-15, AMRAAM or Sparrow, where eagles fly migs die.

 

Where is everyone during 80's server missions I wonder. ;)

 

Irony appart its just a tactic used in real life no matter how people hate to be on the recieving end. They all also resort to their own tricks, call others cheap shots except themselves. ;)

Edited January 8, 2013 by Pilotasso

[ФрогФут]

It doesnt matter what weapon is loaded onto the F-15, AMRAAM or Sparrow, where eagles fly migs die.

 

That's why there is an S-300 around every corner in Russia. They don't fly. So don't the others.

Edited January 8, 2013 by ФрогФут

[Pilotasso]

I should have added I was talking about online experiences. No politics.

[ФрогФут]

I should have added I was talking about online experiences. No politics.

That's what i'm talking about. Too small amount of SAM sights on red side.

Also recently managed to fly some MP (don't have many time for that during tests), using new missile physics, i managed take down an F-15 on a MiG-29 head on even without any amraams flying at me. The only problem for MiG-29 is to set the radar zone correctly and find the enemy in time. If you have, it doesn't matter, if it is MiG, Su or F-15.

Edited January 8, 2013 by ФрогФут

[Exorcet]

The great thing now is that 29 nails on the TEWS means danger whether you're locked or not, for F-15 pilots not having enemy 15's popping up on your RWR so not fearing the active missile/TWS launch while you're in the stratosphere will soon be, thankfully, old news.

F-15 pilots are so used to that fact while Russian pilots already expect every threat to be a TWS shot. ;)

29 means danger even if it's not visible on the RWR. Evasive action for T's and ET's should already be ingrained into every online pilot. Now they just need to do the same when it comes to radar guided missiles. And it's not like I haven't had 77's launched at me without a radar lock.

 

Also, as a MiG/Su pilot I've used "manual TWS" where I just didn't lock on until I was within range to do some damage. Conversely I've watched for others doing the same.

 

Both sides will be ready.

[danilop]

... Too small amount of SAM sights on red side....

 

+100000000

 

Every realistic online scenario should have the GREAT EQUALIZER - S300/400 (and GCI, but that's not implemented ATM).

 

That's huge part of Russian Air Defence doctrine, so it's very unrealistic (arcadish) to have Russian birds completely detached from real life operational environment.

[Exorcet]

+100000000

 

Every realistic online scenario should have the GREAT EQUALIZER - S300/400 (and GCI, but that's not implemented ATM).

 

That's huge part of Russian Air Defence doctrine, so it's very unrealistic (arcadish) to have Russian birds completely detached from real life operational environment.

Very much agreed, but the same goes for US. E-3's everywhere.

 

I've heard doing that "doesn't take skill", but quite honestly giving each side realistic SA allows for different and sometimes very dangerous tactics.