Upgrading for lo-mac; new 64-bit proc and gfx card

[pappavis]

hi guys,

 

This must be the umpteenth time someask for advice, but this advice is needed for a system which would be used 70% for playing lo-mac and not much else.

 

I'd like to upgrade my computer system specifically to get more FPS in lo-mac.

 

ATM my setup is a Asus A7Kv600 mobo with Athlon XP3200+ CPU, Geforce 6600GT (AGP, not PCIe) card and a total of 1.5Gb DDr400 PC3200 memory. Theres nothing to complain about this setup :P as Battelfield2, Doom3 runs very nice at the max resolution of 1280*960, which my monitor can support.

 

My primary use of my comp is Lock On (and email).

 

At present i have about <=17fps or so with all details in lo-mac maxed out, except engine heatblur and water to medium. My windowsXP installation is pretty clean, no funny background processes.

 

I'd like lo-mac to always run at *least* 25fps, or more, with all details to max. Somehow it seems that many peeps are getting 120fps ingame or more in lo-mac, hows that possible?

 

My future comp would probably be a 64-bit Athlon XP 3200+ with ASUS SLI mobo, 1.5Gig PC3200 memory and Nvidia 6800GT (Ultra).

 

After having done some research the upgrade costs are averaging about €600 (new mobo, CPU and PCIe gfx card).

 

My questions:

1. My bdget is maxed at €620. What are the viable options?

2. What are you guys' experience regarding upgrading new cpu + gfx card?

3. Would overcloking +cooling of my current gfxcard and CPU not be more cost effective?

4. What are the merits of a 6800GT 256Mb card versus 7800GT 256Mb card? I know the latter is faster but the price...

 

Financialy i'd like to be conservative though have a comp which would run lo-mac1.2 without a hitch.

 

Any comments and becnhmarks appreciated.

[Gazehound]

'I'd like lo-mac to always run at *least* 25fps, or more, with all details to max. Somehow it seems that many peeps are getting 120fps ingame or more in lo-mac, hows that possible?'

 

By not running it at max?

 

When the mud starts to fly, the air gets busy, and the weather is awful, your going to want to make compromises there.

[Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN]

get the 6800gs instead of the gt, its cheaper and has similar power to the gt.

 

It will save you that little bit extra cash that you can use elsewhere on the pc, as the gs is between the vanilla 6800 and the 6800gt, so it is a decent card. And for the 1-2 fps more with the gt, it isnt worth getting the gt for just 1-2fps more. cuz you can save a decent amount by buying the 6800gs over the gt.

 

any 6800 or 7800 will not get you far in lockon, saying far, i mean it wont be any better than the 6600gt i would presume, as it is the cpu that is most needed for lockon.

 

Hardly any power is used from the vid card/s for lockon. I would get at least amd 3500-3700 cpu, if you can afford it get the 4000 = the old fx53, but its multiplyer is locked, so overclocking is done via the amd equivelant of the front side bus.

 

lomac just doesnt utilize video cards that much, although it does use them a fair bit, it will not put the card under strain unless it is a shit video card.

the 6600gt and up will never be fully taxed by lockon.

 

I would buy the amd 4000, as they are cheap. the 6800gs and a asus a8n sli premium, or if you really wanna overclock big, then go for the dfi lan party board, but beware, there is a good amount of niggly little bugs in the dfi board, all of which can be fixed or have a work around.

 

As for running 1.2 smoothly, well until it comes out, no one can comment, but i presume it will be even more taxin on the cpu. Thus if you wanna run things at a decent setting, like most things at high etc except water, then i would suggest nothing lower than a 3700. 4000 and up would be a better choice, as at least you will have some flexibility with settings and still have a real good game.

[Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN]

'I'd like lo-mac to always run at *least* 25fps, or more, with all details to max. Somehow it seems that many peeps are getting 120fps ingame or more in lo-mac, hows that possible?'

 

By not running it at max?

 

When the mud starts to fly, the air gets busy, and the weather is awful, your going to want to make compromises there.

 

120 fps WTF M8

 

I think, what they mean is when external views are on, and you look at the aircraft that way, then it is possible to have 300+ fps, but that is the only way i can attain anything like 120fps, and it has got to be looking up or in any direction that doesnt involve the ground. If the ground is in the view, then no way can i get anywhere near 120fps, but if its just sky and 1 aircraft then 300 fps for a few seconds is easy to reach.

 

even with all settings at low, i would still not think anyone can get 120 in the cockpit. I maybe wrong, but i just cant see it.

[Guest Jinker]

You may want to wait a bit on an upgrade. I recentrly saw a site showing the new Intwel lineup, and have to admit, they are very impressive. I belive the codename was Pressler/Cedar Mill. They are due in January. There is also an Extreme Edition due out of one of the two, but I can't remember which one. I think the number was 955 on the CPU.

 

Also, the reason alot of guys are getting high FPS, is becasue they are spending alot of money, and have tweaked the game, and thr system to run effectively. You also have to use the right drivers. Personally I would not go below a 6800GT 256MB card. Right now, they are cheap. You won't save much by goping lower, but iwt will seriously hinder your performance.

 

It takes alot of power for LOMAC. I learned that the hard way. If you bought all the top of the line stuff out there right now, it wouldn't be enough.

 

If you're on a budget right now, save and wait for the new CPU's. That will give you time to save, and you can get the better CPU's when they come out. They're much more powerful.

[Guest Jinker]

120 fps WTF M8

 

I think, what they mean is when external views are on, and you look at the aircraft that way, then it is possible to have 300+ fps, but that is the only way i can attain anything like 120fps, and it has got to be looking up or in any direction that doesnt involve the ground. If the ground is in the view, then no way can i get anywhere near 120fps, but if its just sky and 1 aircraft then 300 fps for a few seconds is easy to reach.

 

even with all settings at low, i would still not think anyone can get 120 in the cockpit. I maybe wrong, but i just cant see it.

 

I'm getting 120+ flying right down in the dirt "in cockpit". You just have to have it setup right and use the right drivers. That is with "trees" and and many of the setting turned up to full. It can be done with the right setup.

[pappavis]

120 fpsWTF M8[/size]

I think, what they mean is when external views are on, and you look at the aircraft that way, then it is possible to have 300+ fps,

 

Hi Evli scotsman, thanx for your in I watched your benchmarking thread somewhere else in the tech discussions, about SLI'ing dual 7800's then it made me wonder if a descent gfxcard is worth the money for lo-mac. It seems that CPU is probably the big thing in lo-mac framerates?

 

 

 

I get about 50fps or so with external views, but in cokpit not more than 20fps, with mirros at medium the framerates are 12fps or less.

 

Initially i will not go SLI as thats not in my budget now, though, i want a system that can go SLI in two years or so. If u buy now i wanna invest into a longterm usage machine which can be used for about a year 3. Prbelm is myt cash is rather limited.:icon_roll.

 

But, thanx guys for your info, i am sure other lo-mac pilots are following this thread too, all help are appreciated.

[Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN]

ok, if you have the agp version of the 6600, I seriously would suggest getting the asrock agp and pci-e motherboard, it will allow you to use ur 6600, and when you got more cash, then u can take out the 6600 and put in a pic-e vid card.

 

This way you would save money on buying a video card just now, when your 6600 is quit capable.

 

its a real good motherboard and is cheap. its made by asus, so you know its got good history. and with the money you save on not buying a video card, you can put that money towards a better cpu.

 

http://www.asrockamerica.com/Products/939DSATA2.htm

 

supports all the latest hardware, and basically its a real nice mobo, its agp and pci-e, so you can upgrade at a future time, without having to buy all ur stuff again.

 

It supports all 939 pin cpus, dualcore fx 57 etc. but it doesnt support sli. you can only use either agp or the pci-e at anyone time, i dont think you can use both at once. but if i was you, thats what i think i would get. save money now and get better 939 pin cpu = better for lomac, and thats what youll be doing with it.

 

basically, it supports all the good stuff my board supports, so its not a crap motherboard, this is the only board on the market that does agp and pci-e at the same time, and it rocks.

 

I am seriously thinking bout getting one for my spare 6800gt, so when that is no good anymore, i can just stick in another pci-e video card, thus saving money on buying a whole new system.

 

If you are desperate for a new vid card, then the 6800gs is probably for you, it benches faster than the gt in a lot of benchmarks, and is cheaper. Basically, its the same card but with a few slight differences, and its cheaper than the gt.

 

me personally, i would buy the 6800gt, but on a budget, then the gs is the one for you, same power or little bit faster or slower than the gt depending on what application and the main factor is its cheaper, but i believe that it doesnt have all the pipes that the 6800gt does.

[Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN]

I'm getting 120+ flying right down in the dirt "in cockpit". You just have to have it setup right and use the right drivers. That is with "trees" and and many of the setting turned up to full. It can be done with the right setup.

 

 

well, you pwn me, i cant get 120 fps with everything turned up full, i cant get nowhere near it. i have everything maxed except water which is on high, and if externals are not on, i turn off heatblur. but even then, i dont get it with everything turned up high.

 

and different drivers dont have that much of a magic effect on performance, maybe a few fps more, but not as much as 120fps

 

so i think you may have things turned down, as at its highest a fx57 would have trouble even gettin a stable 60 fps if that in the cockpit. now there is times where it can go up for a few seconds, depending on what is visible, but that is not normal,

 

your normal fps would be flying steady over a city or something which mimicks real gameplay.

 

If you say you get a stable 120 fps all the way from take off to landing, and all ur settings are on high, well sorry, i dont believe it, and neither would anyone else here.

 

if you say you have a few seconds here and there at that fps, then that is possible, but it would just be a few seconds.

 

if you disagree, then make a track, all settings high, and with the fps counter on, ctrl+backspace, brings up the fps counter.

 

tell me your settings, and also what part of the map and aircraft your using, also your pc specs. i will try to recreate what i get, i will even try the leet drivers, although, i try them all the time, and some actually perform worse than nvidias, or some do perform better, but only by a few fps.

[504MrWolf]

I'm getting 120+ flying right down in the dirt "in cockpit". You just have to have it setup right and use the right drivers. That is with "trees" and and many of the setting turned up to full. It can be done with the right setup.

 

?? 120 what ??

 

120 hell marys

120 trees per second

120 sec micro pauses

 

I dont remember anyone in the history of lockon gettin 120+ FPS down on the city with everything on full lol.........you must be on crack m8 !! ;) :) :D :icon_jook

 

I know Evil_Scot has a AlienWares Auroa SLI worth £3000 that has a spec i would have to kill my bank manager for and he cant get 120+FPS !

 

I aint calling you a liar but your gunna have to prove it with Cray Super PC specs and video footage lol :) (screenshot is photoshopable ;))

 

Have fun with this thread Scotty ;)

[Guest Jinker]

?? 120 what ??

 

120 hell marys

120 trees per second

120 sec micro pauses

 

I dont remember anyone in the history of lockon gettin 120+ FPS down on the city with everything on full lol.........you must be on crack m8 !! ;) :) :D :icon_jook

 

I know Evil_Scot has a AlienWares Auroa SLI worth £3000 that has a spec i would have to kill my bank manager for and he cant get 120+FPS !

 

I aint calling you a liar but your gunna have to prove it with Cray Super PC specs and video footage lol :) (screenshot is photoshopable ;))

 

Have fun with this thread Scotty ;)

 

You guys really need to get the right drivers. They seriously do have a huge effect on performance. Try the XG drivers at tweaksrus. I was stuck in the mid 60's until I switched to those drivers. If you're using nVidia drivers they are seriously hindering your card.

 

My system is also modded. Alienware? phhht, overpriced. You can build a system just as powerful for half the price, and get better hand picked stuff.

 

You also have to install a sound mod I found online, along with a FPS tweak. The FPS tweak is imperitive. You can OC the card's and get maybe another 5-10%...maybe more, but I'm always conservative.

 

120FPS is what it averages. It will dip down some, but it maintains 120+ 90% of the time. It never goes below the low 60's in any of the missions or training flights I've flown, and I've put alot of ordinance on towns just to blow stuff up. The only time it ever dips is when I fly right through a fire, and there are fires burning everywhere, and I go through it spraying rockets. Now that will do it. I've seen peaks of 170+ in the cockpit, and see 350-450 FPS outside depending on the surroundings. It seems like blue sky gets the highest max, and 350 would be normal scenery around, and very little sky...like with the mountains and cities around.

 

If you have not tried those XG drivers, do it right now. You really are hindering your performance.

 

I've also done lots of other things to the OS, and stuff like that, but can't remember all that stuff as it's been months since al fo that was done. Most of the tweaks to the system itself were found on gaming sites,a nd other sim sites before I got into Lock On.

 

This is on my gaming system now. It does nothing else. The drives are totally clean, and nothing runs in the backgound at all that is not related to the game. When i say nothing, I do mean nothing else. Even the OS is stripped down.

 

Sorry, no video. You'll just have to take my word for things and try the tricks I talked about if you haven't already. Those are clean raptors, and I'm not doing video on them. They are for max performance only. Only games and their drivers and stripped down OS goes on those drives. I got too much work in them to hose up that array, and don't have time to be formatting them. My gaming system doesn't even have Internet setup, so I couldn't upload them even if I did.

[Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN]

well, i can asure u raptors do shit for lockon, as i got em, i also got another 2 drives in raid, and raptors = jack shit for lomac.

 

also what better handpicked stuff can you get ? cuz as far as i am aware, there is no better handpicked stuff to be able to get, except a 4800dc or fx57, also, everything in here is handpicked. i got to pick mobo, vid cards ram etc etc, so basically its exactly as you would buy from a shop, no proprierty dell homemade shit in here.

 

btw what is your system, specs ? the video is built into the game, so you dont have to fuk with video shit, over clocking your video cards do nothing for lockon, so that tweak is useless for lockon.

 

to be honest, until you show us a track from lomac, i dont believe ya. mods or no mods, its still an unreal fps to get with highest settings.

 

and i have and do use the xg drivers at times, and not once have they given me anything like your claiming. many people on these boards have same or better spec pc than me, and not one of them gets what u claim. even with mods. so dont think magical drivers will get you that cuz they dont.

 

the fps tweak, makes your settings low, they dont magically make your high settings fps leet. its a tweak that makes the game look crap, so basically you may think your settings are on high, but with the tweak, its overriding what you want and making it crap. if you can get same quality as this :

 

http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=11208

 

thats at max settings, no mods, 8aa and 16af, water = high and if i turned water to its max, i wud kill my puter. also heatblur is off

 

at your highest settings, then you sure aint getting 120 fps 90% of the time.

 

even a few of my externals didnt get above 30 odd. so u must be smokeing crack to get 120+ highest settings.

 

My gaming rig, which i am not on at the moment, had windows peared down to leetness, it had all services stopped and only essential stuff, similar to yours.

 

now i get 12000 (stock) in 3d mark 05, if you get less then dont even think about saying you get 120 fps on highest settings. fps tweaks just turn the game into low settings, nothing more.

 

you could always copy the few mb video file from your "gameing rig" to the rig you use now. cuz thats roughly how big the video/track of it will be. and u can upload that way.

 

to be honest with ya, and i dont want to say your lieing,

 

but i think your full of SHIT, i truly dont believe ya and i dont think anyone else here who knows lomac like the majority of people on these boards does either.

 

sorry for being the harsh one, but it comes with experience, and its usually easy to spot, when someone claims to have this game maxed and gets insane fps as your claiming mod or no mods. its still impossible to get that fps with mods at highest settings.

 

you remind me of someone i had to pwn a few months back. maybe its the same guy, using a different nick ?

 

please prove me wrong, and record a track via lockon built in recorder, and save to a floppy or cd, and copy to the pc u using now, and upload so we can all see what you get.

 

specs of your pc aswell would be nice aswell. maybe even pictures of your pc would be cool if you can get em. have you got crossfire ?

 

crossfire is a private joke ;)

 

install fraps, and for the small file that it is, it will allow u 30 seconds of footage, thats the way to do it.

 

I seriously wanna believe ya, but there has been to many idiots on these forums claiming exactly the same thing you have, and everyone of them have been proven wrong. so excuse me if i come across too harsh, its just that we have had enough of them claiming this n that.

 

so for the small file that fraps is, do that and save to cd and put on the pc u using now, or connect both pcs via ethernet cable and upload to other pc. simple.

 

prove me wrong, cuz if you can do it, i wanna be able to do it.

unless you can produce a quick vid, then i got nowt more to say on the subject.

[Guest Jinker]

You don't have to believe me. That's your choice. I was offering some of the things I did to get those rates (and can assure you they are very real). I'm not here to get into a debate whether they are real or not. I already know they are, and I'm reaping the benefits of it. I can't sit here and tell everybody how i got those rates. They have to learn it for themselves just like I did. You also have to know what tweak is gonna do what, and how it effects speciffic hardware. There's more reading than there is work in it, I can tell you that. Most people think they get get a system setup with a bunch of expensive hardware, but what they don't realize is they're wasting half of it away. It's akin to having a A-10 flying on one engine. The efficiency goes out the window.

 

I've seen alot of people getting the same rates I am on my computer, and just like your last post, they get blasted by the people who are not getting those rates. To that I can only say, if you not sitting in front of ther monitor while it's going on you have no idea what you are talking about. I can be done, and is being done. It's that simple. Whether you choose to belive it or not, that doesn't change that fact.

 

I also explained why i cannot get video from machine. It's not gonna happen, and even if I could I have nothing to prove. This isn't an e-penis contest on here. Well, for some it may be, but I pretty much ignore that.

[Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN]

ok, quick question, what is your cpu ? that will answer all or most of the above questions,

 

if i turned everything down, i could get uber leet fps, but at high this game kills every pc in existence, there isnt yet a pc built that can play lockon at highest settings at 120fp, an fx57 tweaked no mods, highest settings, would get about 20 fps, thats with sli 7800gtx. and 2gb of fast ram.

 

just look at what people get at highest setting, with the best hardware. this aint about penis contests. its about not being able to max lomac out at 120 fps. i have never ever heard anyone gettin more than 50ish in the cockpit with the game maxed out and without the water at its max. with water at its max, then thats comes down to about 20-30 max fps. as i said before, the mods only revert the game to low settings, so infact your not playing it at its highest settings.

 

if you dont believe what i am saying, look in the tech section for more fps by better pcs than mine. you will notic this game kills pc's on highest settings.

 

also, why are people with top end pcs wasteing it ? you dont really think people bought leet pc's for lockon ? cuz that would be the stupidest thing todo. as lockon doesnt take up hardly any resources in the newer vid cards, 6600 gt and ati equivelant and up. so there is no gain for lomac with good video cards. also it doesnt use more than 1 gig of ram, so 1 gig of fast ram is cool, it also doesnt read off of the harddrive if you have enough ram, so raptors dont do anything except faster mission loading, thats it. its all the cpu. you need a huge cpu to get the best out of this game. I will admit, this game rapes my cpu. but its the only game that does so. the rest i rape them. tweaks change skins for lower res ones, and small things like that that degrade the look of the game. so as i say, it gets back to the fact that its not highest settings cuz the mods have overriden what you have set it at.

 

as i say, check out the tech section for fps of better rigs and more knowledgeable dudes than my pc and myself, as some people here really know there stuff when it comes to fps and lockon and basically they have disected the game to get the most out of it.

 

mods are good for lowend pc's as it helps them attain more fps, due to there limitations, but the better the pc, the less need there is for these fps mods.

[504MrWolf]

ive just tried the XG drivers and it made no difference to lockon FPS what so ever.

 

Fine if you get 120fps cool, it would be very cool if you could share with us the main and most important mods/tweaks you used to gain this amazing performance.

 

I dont think penis size has got anything to do with it m8, youve made a claim but dont seem to want to prove or offer much help to others. You dont need to prove it but sharing the knowledge would be fantastic.

[504 Wolverine]

Even a simple systems spec overview would be nice.

[pappavis]

the asrock agp and pci-e motherboard, it will allow you to use ur 6600, and when you got more cash, then u can take out the 6600 and put in a pic-e vid card.

 

This way you would save money on buying a video card just now, when your 6600 is quit capable.

 

its a real good motherboard and is cheap. its made by asus, so you know its got good history. and with the money you save on not buying a video card, you can put that money towards a better cpu.

 

http://www.asrockamerica.com/Products/939DSATA2.htm

 

supports all the latest hardware, and basically its a real nice mobo, its agp and pci-e, so you can upgrade at a future time, without having to buy all ur stuff again.

 

Hi Evil, thanx for your advice! :)

 

I have read some positive reviews about that Asrock mobo and just ordered it plus a Athlon Xp3200+ 64-bit pocessor. Thanx to the Asrock mobo i save €400 becos i paid €229 (and not €650 as per original specs incl. new PCIe gfx card)for the Asrock mobo + CPU :cool:.

 

This is the third system upgrade in 2.5 years (started on Athlon700Mhz 512Mb RAM with geforce4 MX) -- all in an effort to get lo-mac to run at a descent stable 25fps or more, also in cokpit view above big city scenes with high details.

Apparentlyley video images on Television broadcast/DVD-films etc runs at 25fps so thats cool to me.. and thats what i want lo-mac to run with.

 

In a later post you mentioned that lo-mac is limited to using about 1Gig memory, dont use too much Gfx card memory too. I can agree on that (not tested thoroughly yet) and that lo-mac is dependant on CPU power. Makes me think that ED has built lo-mac codebase to be easily portable to other archtecture/CPU's..

Anyways, in a day or 2 my new hardware will be at home and then i will see if theres any change in FPS.

[Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN]

Glad I could help out pappavis, anytime youneed anything you know where i chill out at. ;)

 

I think you will really enjoy your new system. with that board, you have a future proof pc. cuz you can upgrade and get every single amd 939 cpu, from standard amd64 to dualcore and fx57. And with 64bit vista, your cpu will get better performance.

 

Wise choice and a real good mobo. :)

[Guest Jinker]

System is an Intel Extreme Edition (Model,Speed&voltage NDA), mobo Asus (model NDA)Pro modded [beta BIOS- All unneeded ports are diabled], 2GB of PQI 3:5 , 7800GTX special edition pro modded, dual 74G Raptors in RAID 0 (ICH7R), phase -60 to -80 depending on load and ambient, 520 watt OCZ Power Unit, WinXP stripped down (no networking, and all unneeded files deleted except what is absolutely necessary for simming/gaming)

*NDA=NonDisclosure Agreement Contract

 

The system is a "full on" on gaming rig, and is used for nothing else. Separate drives are used for benching, and testing. I'm running a Full CH HOTAS- FS/PT/PP, and TIR4 is on the way. ruggbutt's profile is loaded on my machine, and I have to make a few minor changes to it, and get the TIR setup, and everything will be back to normal.

 

There have been numerous OS Tweaks, and i can't even remember all of those. Most of the tweaks were obtained through gaming sites, and other computer forums. I was keeping track of them for awhile and there were over 140 tweaks done at last count.

 

The card was pro modded and two "Cermet Type" adjustable potentiomenters to bump voltage a little on the card. AFAIK, no software is capable oif raising the voltage on a 7800GTX card, so it took a hardware mod to do it. It's running at 600/1750 and I bench ans test using 620-630/1800.

 

In the BIOS (a beta at this point in time) all nonessential ports (LAN's, PCI, etc...) have been diasbled.

 

The drives are configured in a RAID 0 array, and XP is on it's own partition, and the page file is also partitioned. There is absolutely no other programs loaded on those drives. There are currently 2 simulators loaded, the OS, VC drivers, and everything that is necessary to run is loaded on the drives, but nothing else. It will not run Internet as there is no networking, or anything else. Again, only the necessary essentials.

 

You can literally cut a RAID array's performance in half (i.e. 100MB/s -vs- 200MB/s seek times) by loading a bunch of Internet stuff onto them, and letting them get hosed up with internet trash.

 

I just cannot tell you how to do all those tweaks on that OS without you going and doing the research on it. Volumes could be written on it. You also have to take into account speciffic hardware, how much RAM is being used, and other factors. A word to wise...don't mess with an OS unless you fully understand the consequences of it, and what the change will do for you. Some tweaks will work for certain systems, and can harm others.

[unclebob]

watch this test. It shows that Lockon, contrarily to what everyone says, benefict alot with better graphics card. In fact Lockon is CPU limited but for oposite reasons. It doesn't benefict nothing from better CPUs, because all their limitations are graphical ralated. I had a link to a test that shows this, but I can't find it right now. If I find it I'll post here later.

 

But watch that one and see that changing from a 6600GT to a 7800GT will double your FPS.

[Guest Jinker]

watch this test. It shows that Lockon, contrarily to what everyone says, benefict alot with better graphics card. In fact Lockon is CPU limited but for oposite reasons. It doesn't benefict nothing from better CPUs, because all their limitations are graphical ralated. I had a link to a test that shows this, but I can't find it right now. If I find it I'll post here later.

 

But watch that one and see that changing from a 6600GT to a 7800GT will double your FPS.

 

I also saw increases from a highly modded 6800GTOC to a stock 7800GTX, and then after trhe 7800GTX was modded, I again saw fairly large increases. It is not as graphical hindered as people might think. Now this is on a gaming only system. I cannot say (from any personal experience) what it will do on a regular work system loded with the simulation, because I have never used lockon or any other games or simulations on a normal computer. I have always used dedicated machines since getting into the gaming/sims. I used to play alot of FPS games, but they are no longer a challenge.

 

The sims are where it's at for me. Highly complex, they are dynamic, and I have actual full scale flight experience, so it was a no brainer to move into the sims. I love aircraft, and was brought up around them. Heck, I could've been born in one as my Mother was a "Stewardess". They call them Flight attendants. hehe

 

The combat end of it I have much to learn. Tactics and weapons I'm defficient in, but the game setup, I seem to click with. Hardware has always "clicked" with me, and I've gamed alot, so I picked up stuff here and there on setup, and getting the most out of it.

[504MrWolf]

ok ive tried the XG drivers again and turned all app and stuff off but the very essential...........i lost 4 FPS on the Su25 Vanilla quick fly.

 

Oh dear god why do i bother to believe.

 

Why do you have NDA on all your hardware specs ?

 

Flying online with 120FPS would be like flying a time machine you would shoot peeps down 5 mins before they knew !

[Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN]

obviously there will be a difference between cards, but it is not that beneficial to lockon. Lockon is known to be cpu limited, not vid card limited unless your vid card is crap.

 

These forums have had many people test all manner of things, and in the end, everyone of them agree that its more todo with the cpu than anything else.

 

I went from a 6800gt to 2 7800gtx, and the increase is hardly noticeable, regardless of what that website says. and if you think lockon doesnt benefit from better cpu's then more the fool you.

 

to jinker, you do know that my rig pwns you intel extreme, and i cannot attain anything like what you claim. and what is with the NDA ?

 

if its test hardware then it still proves my point, you cannot buy it yet so there still isnt a pc capable of gettin 120fps on highest settings.

 

Wolf, just let them pretend there right, cuz lately these forums have had an influx of people with wild claims, and we all know they full of shit. so just let them think that and leave em be.

 

To be taken seriously here, then the people who claim such nonsensical things, POST A VIDEO WITH FPS SHOWING, and the people who havent got the hardware and only websites as guidance, get the hardware and do the tests yourself before claiming that it must be true cuz i saw it on a website.

 

2x7800s hardly even get used in lockon, it says so in the gpu load balancing program and it also says it via the temps which stay real low.

 

as far as i am concerned there is no real gain over a 6800gt/ultra than there is with a 7800gt/gtx, maybe the odd fps. Its more to do with the cpu, believe it dont believe it.

 

All you have todo is use the search function on these forums and you will see.

 

we are the ones who play this game everyday for the last 2 years, and we have all tested it to death and have all came to the same conclusion. CPU is the main factor in lockon.

a good vid card helps, but not as much as a good cpu.

[Guest EVIL-SCOTSMAN]

w It doesn't benefict nothing from better CPUs, because all their limitations are graphical ralated.

 

 

I cannot believe that you said that, you must either be jokin, or have no clue.

 

seriously this is not meant to be mean argumentitve towards you, but you cant seriously mean what you just said :confused:

[504MrWolf]

yeah i never believe those website bench mark tests.

 

They arent normal home PC's. Usually a MOBO sat on top of its box with the hardware dotted around their mums kitchen table ;) its built to run 3dMark and all those geek tools for penis measuring websites.

 

Letting a benchmark program burn in your hardware means nothing in the real world of gamers, its just a measuring stick for gauging the other hardwares specs. I wanna know how it fared whilst playing BF2 or Lockon online for 4 hours, wethere it was jerky or smooth not wether it got average FPS on "Quake Demo 4" lol.....pointless.

 

120FPS is not obtainable and i dont believe anyone who claims it with settings on high, if backed up by hard proof then i will change my statment but if that cant be shown then the claim is BS.

 

Woah was that a flying pig ? ;)