New missile mod for FC 2.0

[SESova]

Listen, even the most realistic flight models are very difficult to make correct. FC2 did not have the most realistic missile flight model, and there is nothing you can do to fix this.

 

The Encyclopedia is just an encyclopedia. It means very little, it's like an internet source ... do NOT attempt to match in-game things to the encyclopedia.

 

Why than did you done that if is not correct as you clame?

[SEwhiteG]

Completely different missile flight dynamics model. Does that explain why?

 

 

 

No, your only concern is that AMRAAM is better than other missiles. The AMRAAM is and will be better than the other missiles modeled in this game.

You are corect when you say in this game.

 

 

 

I'm not getting any money from anyone.

 

 

 

I don't need to test this mod to tell you it's fantasy. I just need to look at the values.

 

 

And even this new one is not valid.

Easy to understand because many people are disappointed with FC3.

 

 

 

You are corect when you say in this game.

In this text we have american F-15 pilot testimony about aim-120. Look the distance lunching, fly timeing and distance between the enemy planes in a moment when missile hits MiG.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/?o8aazjc48lwdjn0

 

 

 

I thought for guys from ED.

 

 

I think you didnt done even that.

[GGTharos]

Don't need do. Which part of 'we have range diagram for AIM-120' did you not understand?

 

In this text we have american F-15 pilot testimony about aim-120. Look the distance lunching, fly timeing and distance between the enemy planes in a moment when missile hits MiG.

[104th_Maverick]

edit:

 

Can't be bothered with the drama lol!

Edited February 9, 2013 by [Maverick]

[ZaltysZ]

You have put HUGE energy for AMRAM in FC 2.0,but limited its range by 90 seconds delay self destruction.By that you are trying to hide AMRAAM real range in Lock on.

 

It seems like ordinary programmer cheat-trick to workaround some kind of problem with crude FM. Remember that FM in FC2 has such pearls as hard speed limits of missiles and so on. If you fix FM parameters in one part of envelope, you may mess the missile in other parts. I think it is better to invest time in tweaking AFM in FC3, as it is more likely to be possible to bring missiles closer to real life using AFM.

[SESova]

;1671810']Will =SE= ever stop crying about the Aim-120?

When you do it right.

[Frostie]

 

 

That was not changed.Mod do not change the speed of the AMRAAM.

Ofcourse, I was looking at the values in FC3, sorry, FC2 value is still the same in the mod.

 

You have put HUGE energy for AMRAM in FC 2.0,but limited its range by 90 seconds delay self destruction.By that you are trying to hide AMRAAM real range in Lock on.

If i'm not mistaken this is also true of the R-27ER because of its ability in FC1 to hit targets 120km away. Probably down to the lack of AFM.

[104th_Maverick]

Oh well here goes...

 

When you do it right.

 

What does this mean?

 

I get the feeling you think it means when the missiles start missing everyone and are easily evadable so you can still push on your bandit and return fire.

 

Personally I don't find it hard to understand at all, the West has spend more money and time developing the best BVR weaponry possible to work hand in hand with the best BVR Radar systems available.

The Russian's, bless em were not in such a fortunate position to expend as much money or resources on developing equivalent or superior BVR weapons. So why is it so hard for some people to understand that the AMRAAM is better than anything the Russians have!?

 

There is always going to be uncertainty with the A2A missile performance for obvious reasons, no one really knows how they will perform in different situations consistently apart from the people who cannot reveal this type of classified data.

The data that is available on missile performance has been researched by the team and implemented into the sim, the current A2A missiles are still W.I.P which as been pointed out many times.

 

As GG and others have pointed out you have no data to prove the AMRAAM is as hopeless as you want it to be.

 

The AMRAAM in FC2 and FC3 is a million miles away from un-defeatable.... If I can get out the way, then you should be able too also! I'm not buying what your selling because I too fly against F-15s with AMRAAMS online against very capable pilots in FC2 and 3 and I operate on one very simple principle...... If I get shot down... it is MY fault! The decisions I made leading up to me getting shot down with regards to where I place my aircraft and how I employ my weapons were responsible, not any sort of un-defeatable wizardry on my opponents behalf.

 

I don't mean any disrespect when I say this but....

 

The same people that moaned constantly about the AMRAAM performance in FC2 are the same people crying about it in FC3. Perhaps you should try developing your tactics rather than just trying to make the same tactic work for you all the time.

 

I get so much comical relief from people who try to engage an F-15 when he is 15,000ft+ above them inside of 15nm then start raging on chat when they get shot down because their missiles missed and the F-15 is not going down with them! I'd love to know what these people are thinking and how they thought it was going to work out..... it seems to me like it's always the same...... eg:

 

When the missile goes active you (not you specifically) don't bother to extend to escape then re-engage, all these guys keep PUSHING on the F-15 in an effort to either keep lock or get more weapons off on him even when he is extending after the AMRAAM goes pitbull.

 

There is no magic move, no holly grail to dodging AMRAAMS. Each time an evasion from any missile is made it comes down to what the circumstances are at that time and what actions the pilot takes but the key thing to understand is that each time is different.

 

To me, most AMRAAM haters seem to think they can perform this fictional 'magic' manoeuvre to outwit the AMRAAM and when it doesn't work, all the toys get thrown out the pram and its all ED's fault, because a friend of a friend talked to a Serbian Mig pilot and he said the move would work, or they seen a youtube video with some unqualified statement about the missile's performance.

[Boberro]

+1

[volk]

Did you know that the 9L was capable of 5nm shots agaisnt a 5g target at 10000'? I didn't ... I do now, I have the WEZ diagrams ... but that was a bit of a shocker.

При этом Р-73 обладает большей энергетикой, чем AIM-9L, а топлива в Р-27Р больше, чем в AIM-7F.

ГСН AIM-7F обладает лучшей чувствительностью, чем Р-27Р, но у Р-27Р есть радиокоррекция с борта истребителя.

[Ragnarok]

I do not mind a strong 15 F, and strong AIM-120. On the contrary, it is always like a challenge. But it bothers me is the fact that there is something overly made-up. Unrealistic.

The feeling that you are flying on the AIM-120, instead of F15, disappears for me to enjoy. I am regrets that because of these things Lockon dying slowly, because I loved this simulation.

P.C. With my mod, I am just to fly F15, fight with friends and enjoy an equal and realistic fight. Sorry for my english.

Edited February 9, 2013 by Ragnarok

[SEwhiteG]

Let's pretend that all missiles are ok and all are same like in real life, as you say.

So missiles are ok and we have in FC3 good value for them.

They are very good simulated and you are right.

Point here is to have aircraft battle simulation. Right?

Then why we have delay for jammers cozz in real life there is no such thing.

You said that F-15 is the best and aim-120 is the best.

In that case i dont see the reason why we have this jammers delay at all.

ED putted that thing in the game cozz in that case F-15 is not that good in TWS as all F-15 guys thinks, and in that case they cant play HAWX any more.

I use to fly F-15 and i see no magic in that cozz fireing the missile from 60km and turning back to your base while you looking stat board to see did you get someone for me is so retardic.

I can fly F-15 now not problem but for me is so boring. I realy dont have problems in real life wich causes needeng to kill someone at all costs in FC and to heal my complex on that way.

Game should be like kill but be killed too, on other way multyplay gameing will die.

For me plane is plane, i flying Falcon BMS too, i even try A-10c but not flying anymore cozz i geting money for a-10c joystick (i want full pleasure).

In the game we have something like americans VS some pro russian countres who have old russian aircrafts. That is why we didnt had in real life clash between America and Russia. All wins wich americans have are against inferior coutries.

Am realy sorry to say this but something like that (America VS Russia) should happend cozz only like that you will be slap in the face. But in that moment it will mean nothing because in that moment world will be gone. I hope that never happend....

Now we are waiting patch for FC3 untill then we will remain slaves of one great delusion, maybe even after patch we stay these same slaves .

Time will show.....

Salute....

Edited February 9, 2013 by =SE=whiteG

[volk]

Зоны возможных пусков (DLZ) для Р-73. К сожалению, качество не очень хорошее, но можно увидеть, что для высоты 3 км и скорости цели и носителя 900 км/ч дальность более 10 км.

 

[RIPTIDE]

I use to fly F-15 and i see no magic in that cozz fireing the missile from 60km and turning back to your base while you looking stat board to see did you get someone for me is so retardic.

lol 60km? I have a hard time nailing opponents from 20km..... GOOD opponents I might add. If you're hitting human fliers from 60km, I'd like to have your F-15C and your AIM-120 please.... or maybe your opponents just like flying towards the flashing lights. :D

[Krebs20]

White, Are you launching a 120 at 60 km in FC3? I really hope you are throwing numbers out there. Your not going to hit much of anything at that range. I am sitting at 15nm or 30km for all of my engagements online with the 120.

[Mandrake5]

;1671843']Oh well here goes...

 

 

 

What does this mean?

 

I get the feeling you think it means when the missiles start missing everyone and are easily evadable so you can still push on your bandit and return fire.

 

Personally I don't find it hard to understand at all, the West has spend more money and time developing the best BVR weaponry possible to work hand in hand with the best BVR Radar systems available.

The Russian's, bless em were not in such a fortunate position to expend as much money or resources on developing equivalent or superior BVR weapons. So why is it so hard for some people to understand that the AMRAAM is better than anything the Russians have!?

 

There is always going to be uncertainty with the A2A missile performance for obvious reasons, no one really knows how they will perform in different situations consistently apart from the people who cannot reveal this type of classified data.

The data that is available on missile performance has been researched by the team and implemented into the sim, the current A2A missiles are still W.I.P which as been pointed out many times.

 

As GG and others have pointed out you have no data to prove the AMRAAM is as hopeless as you want it to be.

 

The AMRAAM in FC2 and FC3 is a million miles away from un-defeatable.... If I can get out the way, then you should be able too also! I'm not buying what your selling because I too fly against F-15s with AMRAAMS online against very capable pilots in FC2 and 3 and I operate on one very simple principle...... If I get shot down... it is MY fault! The decisions I made leading up to me getting shot down with regards to where I place my aircraft and how I employ my weapons were responsible, not any sort of un-defeatable wizardry on my opponents behalf.

 

I don't mean any disrespect when I say this but....

 

The same people that moaned constantly about the AMRAAM performance in FC2 are the same people crying about it in FC3. Perhaps you should try developing your tactics rather than just trying to make the same tactic work for you all the time.

 

I get so much comical relief from people who try to engage an F-15 when he is 15,000ft+ above them inside of 15nm then start raging on chat when they get shot down because their missiles missed and the F-15 is not going down with them! I'd love to know what these people are thinking and how they thought it was going to work out..... it seems to me like it's always the same...... eg:

 

When the missile goes active you (not you specifically) don't bother to extend to escape then re-engage, all these guys keep PUSHING on the F-15 in an effort to either keep lock or get more weapons off on him even when he is extending after the AMRAAM goes pitbull.

 

There is no magic move, no holly grail to dodging AMRAAMS. Each time an evasion from any missile is made it comes down to what the circumstances are at that time and what actions the pilot takes but the key thing to understand is that each time is different.

 

To me, most AMRAAM haters seem to think they can perform this fictional 'magic' manoeuvre to outwit the AMRAAM and when it doesn't work, all the toys get thrown out the pram and its all ED's fault, because a friend of a friend talked to a Serbian Mig pilot and he said the move would work, or they seen a youtube video with some unqualified statement about the missile's performance.

 

Great post... But don't forget the power of state driven propaganda here; old habits die hard in the east, and clearly many of our red friends have been sold a fantasy version of Russian military strength, probably ever since they were kids. Is it then any wonder they are so horrified when reality crashes into the fuselage of their 'unbeatable' Russian aircraft?

 

I think you nailed most of it in your post, but IMO there is a bit more going on beneath the surface of the 'Amraam tantrums''. More compassion and understanding needed from Blue Team, methinks.

[Pilotasso]

I cannot find any bias or exagerations on this thread. ;)

[SEwhiteG]

lol 60km? I have a hard time nailing opponents from 20km..... GOOD opponents I might add. If you're hitting human fliers from 60km, I'd like to have your F-15C and your AIM-120 please.... or maybe your opponents just like flying towards the flashing lights. :D

 

I will not comment your post (LOL)....

Here is link where you can see the distance between planes on Su-27 hud when ammram hits.

[RIPTIDE]

I will not comment your post (LOL)....

Here is link where you can see the distance between planes on Su-27 hud when ammram hits.

I saw that vid.... You called it Mad Dog. Which is absolutely wrong.... (the 120 was guided I can see it manoeuvring.) Also where is the ECM on the player -4c-Ragnorak? This would not allow a TWS shot from that range.

 

I thought your other video was better, though. :D It seems the 120 is not so good really. :music_whistling:

 

[Pilotasso]

LOL +1 PWNED

[SEwhiteG]

I saw that vid.... You called it Mad Dog. Which is absolutely wrong.... (the 120 was guided I can see it manoeuvring.) Also where is the ECM on the player -4c-Ragnorak? This would not allow a TWS shot from that range.

 

I thought your other video was better, though. :D It seems the 120 is not so good really. :music_whistling:

 

 

You mean on that same crippled ecm with 10-15sec delay which was inserted into the game in purpose only to allow the F-15 undisturbed TWS missile guidance.:doh:

 

 

Tipical exploit like barell roll in FC1.12. Never used and dont like it.

 

 

In this video we can se one more thing, wich is F-15 flying tank.

Hitted 3 times and still flying in one piece.:music_whistling:

[SEwhiteG]

LOL +1 PWNED

 

Please if you dont have or dont know anything constructive to say then dont spam.

I think it's not nice to provoke while we talk about some serious things.

[Ragnarok]

Shot is a mad dog, and it is the 60km distance. Try to shoot target the TWS or STT and you'll see that it AIM-120 flies differently. Here as it is buried,

until it finds a target.

AIM-120 is not perfect, but it is not real. Some Russian missiles are weaker and some are stronger than they should. Some are ok. But any American missile stronger than expected. By Wolk chart we see that the R73 is extremely strong. In LockOn, R-73 is converted into a stinger or something like it.

[SESova]

Please if you dont have or dont know anything constructive to say then dont spam.

I think it's not nice to provoke while we talk about some serious things.

It is habit from server,forgive him.:)

[SESova]

Great post... But don't forget the power of state driven propaganda here; old habits die hard in the east, and clearly many of our red friends have been sold a fantasy version of Russian military strength, probably ever since they were kids. Is it then any wonder they are so horrified when reality crashes into the fuselage of their 'unbeatable' Russian aircraft?

 

I think you nailed most of it in your post, but IMO there is a bit more going on beneath the surface of the 'Amraam tantrums''. More compassion and understanding needed from Blue Team, methinks.

 

Realy great post...Same ideas had Adolf Hitler,even his own people rejected him just like people rejecting lock on.How many dedicated servers there is now?How many "old" players still play lock on?How many squadrons from western countries has fall a part becouse bad lock on or swich to other flight simulations?How big Lock on communiti is now?I have see ED have a community manager.I am pretty much shure he is russian spy,and he is duing great job in destruction of Lock on community.

 

By thinking that you are the best,US is the best,wont get nothing.US castums are welcome at Us only.Rest of the world dont like to be Americans,or Englismans or British who live at teritory of the US and calling them selfs Americans.

I liked to fly Su 25T a lot,but not enymore.When I see instruments on english at russian plane,i dont like it.I am shure ED testers are going to clame that english instruments at russain planes are 100% realistic,but i am not bying it.Nobody does.I would realy like to know whos idea is to put instruments on english at russian plane?

US misiles are not better than russians,russian missiles are not better than US.And all the world, and all missiles have their advantages and disadvantages.One of the main factors is situation and circumstances in wich missile has been fired.So you need tactic to put you self in good and force enemy to put him self in disadvantage possition.That is power of the warfare.Does an missile fly 30 km faster,it does not makes her better.

That is the case in this mod.Ragnarog hes modeled acording to informations we collect,and its become that way,pretty much equal.

Edited February 10, 2013 by =SE=Sova