NoCarrier Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 (edited) After doing a little reading up on the SAM threads we're facing in DCS, I was reminded of the fact that the SA-13 Gopher (9K35 Strela-10) has a Snap Shot (9S86) J-band radar rangefinder which the system uses to calculate an intercept point for its 9M333 missile in a head-on engagement. Now, I don't think I've ever seen the Snap Shot radar on the RWR, in either the A-10 or the FC3 aircraft. In fact, after doing a little digging in the Lua files, I found out that the SA-13 has been classified as a radar-less missile/gun SAM system like the M6 Linebacker and the M1097 Avenger. I couldn't find any reference to a radar in the system's own Lua file either. I can live with the fact that the pintle-mounted PKM has been typified as an anti-aircraft gun, but I would love to see the Snap Shot radar rangefinder modelled to give us a couple of extra seconds warning to get the hell out of its WEZ. I realize it's going to be a somewhat difficult case since the system straddles the divide between optical and radar-based SAM, but I hope you guys can do something about it. Giving the 9S86 radar a detection range of a few kilometers would be one solution, I guess. Wikipedia claims the rangefinder can reach out to 10,000 meters, even though I realize the RWR can most likely detect it past that range. Edited February 15, 2013 by NoCarrier
Boberro Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 There is other issue - we don't know RWR can detect such radar frequency - I mean if it is capable to do so. Some RWRs bypass some frequencies too. Reminder: Fighter pilots make movies. Bomber pilots make... HISTORY! :D | Also to be remembered: FRENCH TANKS HAVE ONE GEAR FORWARD AND FIVE BACKWARD :D ಠ_ಠ ツ
NoCarrier Posted February 15, 2013 Author Posted February 15, 2013 There is other issue - we don't know RWR can detect such radar frequency - I mean if it is capable to do so. Some RWRs bypass some frequencies too.It's a J-band radar just like the Tunguska's 1RL144 J-band radar, and the RWR can detect the Tunguska just fine.
159th_Viper Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 The SIM is very far behind in accurately modelling ground units, especially SAM systems. IIRC, one of the latest upgrades to the 9К35 Стрела-10 is an almost autonomous I/R tracking and engagement system capable of engaging to a range of 15km - no radar. So one could very well argue that it's OK that you do not pick up a radar signal as it should not have one in any event if it was modeled correctly. I know, a shallow argument at best, but as I said, does not help arguing if the foundation you are arguing on is unstable to begin with :) Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
pepin1234 Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 in FC2 I got the RWR signal, but only when I approach around 4,5 km and not so high altitude. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
NoCarrier Posted February 15, 2013 Author Posted February 15, 2013 Not that unstable. I'm going on public sources here, but the SA-13 hasn't seen an upgrade since the 1989 M3 version. And it seems to me that for a head-on engagement, you'll still need some kind of rangefinder device to go with your optical (infrared) tracking, like say, a radar. Sure you can point to the PPRU-1/Dog Ear, but as it is now the SA-13 doesn't emit a peep, with our without target cueing.
159th_Viper Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 Not that unstable. I'm going on public sources here, but the SA-13 hasn't seen an upgrade since the 1989 M3 version. The Azov L-136 MAK-F hemispherical infrared search/track sensor is most definitely not from 1989 - it is the latest upgrade available. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
NoCarrier Posted February 15, 2013 Author Posted February 15, 2013 The Azov L-136 MAK-F hemispherical infrared search/track sensor is most definitely not from 1989 - it is the latest upgrade available. Well, just because the Russian arms industry offers an upgrade, doesn't mean it's actually been applied to the vehicles in the Russian army's inventory. And as far as I can tell from that one DefenceToday article, the IRST upgrade is mainly used for passive acquisition and tracking, not for ranging.
159th_Viper Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 Well, just because the Russian arms industry offers an upgrade, doesn't mean it's actually been applied to the vehicles in the Russian army's inventory.... Here is a picture from MAKS 2009 showcasing the KBtochmash Strela-10M4 upgrade. Granted, this upgrade is less in range than the 10A (9A35A Gyurza) upgrade but still no radar :) http://www.kbtochmash.com/products-eng/products-eng1/products-eng1_78.html Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
NoCarrier Posted February 15, 2013 Author Posted February 15, 2013 Check that parabolic antenna between the two launcher boxes. Looks like a typical Snap Shot radar to me.
LordWolf Posted February 15, 2013 Posted February 15, 2013 Check that parabolic antenna between the two launcher boxes. Looks like a typical Snap Shot radar to me. no, that's the destructo laserbeam pew pew pew 1
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