WildBillKelsoe Posted June 26, 2013 Posted June 26, 2013 can ED provide us with mk-82/84 ballistic or aerodynamic data for the sim? I need an attack planner or maybe create one. Better yet, ED can create an attack planner for us? AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
HugePanic Posted June 26, 2013 Posted June 26, 2013 Without much thinking, you would need CD and the frontal area of the bombs. You can assume and confirm the values with tacview and the txt files that go into it...
Dudester22 Posted June 26, 2013 Posted June 26, 2013 Does tacview still work in this, if so what version do I need and what does it do? I heard it is better then the ingame recorder, but all I have seen of it is these weird little lines the plane makes in the air. Not hijacking the thread, but since Hugepanic has mentioned it, I'm just asking.
HugePanic Posted June 26, 2013 Posted June 26, 2013 (edited) I was checking the text files that tacview uses yesterday. It excel readable, so you should be able to filter 3d coordinates from any object. No need for ta view then... Look what I found:http://lomac.strasoftware.com/tacview-flight-recordings.php Edited June 26, 2013 by HugePanic
WildBillKelsoe Posted June 26, 2013 Author Posted June 26, 2013 Without much thinking, you would need CD and the frontal area of the bombs. You can assume and confirm the values with tacview and the txt files that go into it... you mean cross-sectional diameter? or cross-dresser ? :D How can I extract info from tacview? I read that page but should I open the file with NP+ or??? Also, should I bomb in a dive or by negative G pushover? the bomb range will vary also with the wind, so I have to simulate winds and layers. Is there a wind limit for employing the 82's? AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
ENO Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 I think Eddie posted some documentation from their VFW... I'm on the hunt for it and when found I'll link to it. "ENO" Type in anger and you will make the greatest post you will ever regret. "Sweetest's" Military Aviation Art
HugePanic Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 Just because it is interesting: I fetched the height and time data from a MK-84. The resulting graph looks about correct. But there is not much drag, so I assume mk-84s are betten than they look. Very close to a perfect parable shape, but drag is visible. It's a little bit a PITA to lineup the coordinates and the time-frame without creating a macro. But it's doable....
mvsgas Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 Not sure if it would help, cant remember where I found this. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
WildBillKelsoe Posted June 27, 2013 Author Posted June 27, 2013 Not sure if it would help, cant remember where I found this. This is real life data. DCS could be using a separate aerodynamic model. Someone from ED should add something useful! AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
HugePanic Posted June 27, 2013 Posted June 27, 2013 But it's only half of the fun if you don't create your data by yourself....
WildBillKelsoe Posted June 28, 2013 Author Posted June 28, 2013 (edited) how can I do it then? any pointers are appreciated. EDIT: I will mention my steps and please correct me: 1- set up flight and fix speed at 250 kias. 2- roll in at dive angle for example 30 degrees 3- rollout and put target between ladder 4- hold state till pipper reaches target 5- release now I open tacview, locate timestamp where I rolled in, note down agl and ias then also roll out agl and ias (with throttle closed) then again note down release point airspeed of aircraft and altitude, and pitch angle (the datum not ¯W¯). make any additional readings? I can get bomb range by calculating difference between release coordinate and impact coordinate, yeah? Edited June 28, 2013 by WildBillKelsoe AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
HugePanic Posted June 28, 2013 Posted June 28, 2013 I think it does not matter how fast or high you are flying. I would also not use tacview itself. Just install tacview and use the Txt files that are created by DCS. Aim for a object (tank) and drop the bomb. All positions of the A-10, the bomb, the tank and so on are stored in the Txt file. So even if you miss the tank, it's all there. I am unsure about wind and weather, but that you can control in the mission editor. First get you own calculator running, and then search for the parameter for all the bombs...
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