Aurora Hypersonic Spyplane

[GC1993]

 

(Skip to around 1:15 for the short documentary clip)

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(aircraft)

 

What do we think guys? Real or fake?

Edited August 23, 2013 by GC1993

[Rangi]

Don't know about the Aurora but you can pretty much be guaranteed that any you tube video whose title starts with "the truth about...." is BS.

 

Ps. your wiki link needs the end bracket included in hyperlink.

[GC1993]

I tried it won't let me, forces the end bracket out of the link by itself :(

[CypherGrunyev]

I remember watching the History Channel as a kid ( I was a weird kid) And hearing something about the Aurora being a Hypersonic bomber, designed to basically drop a JDAM anywhere in the world in under 3 hours.

 

Seems like another Pentagon Myth TBH.

[mvsgas]

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(aircraft)

What do we think guys? Real or fake?

 

As Fake as a soup sandwich

[mvsgas]

This is more likely

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[RagnarDa]

I read about the secret bomber "Aurora" in aeroplane magazines about 15-20 years ago. Figured it was just the B-2 bomber...

[countto10]

Myth. There would be pictures by now if it existed.

[RagnarDa]

Myth. There would be pictures by now if it existed.

Here's a picture of it taken from a satellite: :music_whistling:

[countto10]

LOL. I meant the Aurora not the $2bn undetectable, 172ft wide plane that was built to fire undetectable 2ft wide cruise missiles from several thousand km outside enemy airspace.

[outlawal2]

Myth. There would be pictures by now if it existed.

 

 

Not sure I agree with that statement.. the ONLY reason we found out about the F117 was the fact that it was bombing the Hell out of Iraq and it became impossible to hide the thing any longer...

 

Kinda like the stealth Blackhawk.. the only reason we found out about that bird is it crashed during the Bin Laden mission and they did a really poor job of scuttling it...

 

I am at work and can't watch the video, but personally, I think the Aurora is a real program but not a bomber, a super fast spy plane to replace the SR-71... We haven't seen it because they don't want us to see it ..

 

Yet..

[GC1993]

Here's a picture of it taken from a satellite: :music_whistling:

 

LOL, good one :thumbup:

Remember though if you read the witness accounts who were tracking the sonic booms and the ATC comms from Nevada, the thing was supposedly ~80,000 feet up and doing several mach.....just a touch beyond the capabilites of the B2 Spirit (which can't even get to mach 1)

[countto10]

Not sure I agree with that statement.. the ONLY reason we found out about the F117 was the fact that it was bombing the Hell out of Iraq and it became impossible to hide the thing any longer...

 

Kinda like the stealth Blackhawk.. the only reason we found out about that bird is it crashed during the Bin Laden mission and they did a really poor job of scuttling it...

 

I am at work and can't watch the video, but personally, I think the Aurora is a real program but not a bomber, a super fast spy plane to replace the SR-71... We haven't seen it because they don't want us to see it ..

 

Yet..

The only reason we didn't find out about the F-117 earlier was the absence of smart phones and the internet and there were several stories circulating before the Gulf War. The technology in a plane like the Aurora would also have made it onto other things by now.

Edited August 21, 2013 by countto10

[outlawal2]

The only reason we didn't find out about the F-117 earlier was the absence of smart phones and the internet and there wear several stories circulating before the Gulf War. The technology in a plane like the Aurora would also have made it onto other things by now.

 

Yep I agree ... the technology probably has .. and we can't see those planes yet either! :thumbup:

[countto10]

And not one single satellite has picked it out yet? And not one single supersonic cruise missile to show for it. Never existed and if it did it would have had less range than an RC plane.

[outlawal2]

And not one single satellite has picked it out yet? And not one single supersonic cruise missile to show for it. Never existed and if it did it would have had less range than an RC plane.

 

 

LOL

 

Umm yeah...

 

LOL

 

:lol::lol:

[Night]

The Aurora would be useless, all of it's roles could be filled much cheaper through satellites and B2 bombers.

[outlawal2]

The Aurora would be useless, all of it's roles could be filled much cheaper through satellites and B2 bombers.

 

 

OK that is a ridiculous statement.. Does anyone actually research anything anymore?

 

Satellites are great but there are HUGE limitations to their use.. First off there are only really 2 countries that have them in any kind of numbers to be useful for data gathering.. The US and Russia... Satellites also can't cover every square inch of the world.. the world is a really big place... And what coverage you DO get will almost never be a perfect overhead shot so your fidelity is going to suffer on almost any shot taken..

 

Also, both countries know about and track every satellite in existence and it doesn't take a genius to figure out when a satellite is in a position to take a pic of whatever you want to hide. During the cold war both sides setup all kinds of crap to fool the other side. How hard is it to setup your schedule around the flights of satellites? Not that hard and both sides have been doing it for decades

 

Another point is that 99% of the satellites out there belong to the US so do you think they are going to publish those pics?

 

As for the B2, it has the range, but not the speed required for quick information.. Besides, just try flying a strategic bomber over an adversaries country and see the firestorm that it creates...

 

No, the Aurora exists, but it is a closely guarded secret for sure...

 

And for the folks that say we would have pics of it because of cell phone cameras, then where are all of the pics of the stealth Blackhawk? The entire friggin WORLD saw the tail rotor from the Bin Laden raid so everyone knows it exists... And yet ZERO pics of the thing...

 

Things that the US military want to keep secret, they CAN keep secret..

Aurora is one of them...

[Night]

OK that is a ridiculous statement.. Does anyone actually research anything anymore?

 

Satellites are great but there are HUGE limitations to their use.. First off there are only really 2 countries that have them in any kind of numbers to be useful for data gathering.. The US and Russia...

And I am sure any country that wants to can just build their own Aurora's! What point exactly are you trying to make here?

 

Satellites also can't cover every square inch of the world.. the world is a really big place... And what coverage you DO get will almost never be a perfect overhead shot so your fidelity is going to suffer on almost any shot taken..

First, the Aurora would (by definition) not be able to observe as much area of the earth as a satellite because it simply would have a much lower altitude. Second, satellite technology has gotten *VERY* good, good enough to see a clear picture of whatever newspaper someone happens to be reading. There is simply no technological advantage to an Aurora aircraft that a satellite couldn't also have.

 

Also, both countries know about and track every satellite in existence and it doesn't take a genius to figure out when a satellite is in a position to take a pic of whatever you want to hide. During the cold war both sides setup all kinds of crap to fool the other side. How hard is it to setup your schedule around the flights of satellites? Not that hard and both sides have been doing it for decades

And they couldn't do the same thing for an Aurora? Let me guess, you think not because you believe the Aurora would have RCS reducing stealth technology. My response would be, why couldn't a satellite have stealth technology as well? It would work just as well at keeping the satellite hidden, and would have the added bonus of being up in the air 24/7.

 

Another point is that 99% of the satellites out there belong to the US so do you think they are going to publish those pics?

....what?

 

As for the B2, it has the range, but not the speed required for quick information.. Besides, just try flying a strategic bomber over an adversaries country and see the firestorm that it creates...

Flying an Aurora over someone's country would likely create just as much of a firestorm. Again, a stealth satellite would be FAR superior in every category. It could be just as stealthy. It could be up in the air 24/7, without having to land and refuel. It flies WAY faster than the aurora ever could. And best of all, it would be far more difficult to shoot down a stealthy satellite than any potential Aurora.

 

No, the Aurora exists, but it is a closely guarded secret for sure...

Yes I am sure that you have even flown it yourself, with Chuck Norris and Mr. T as your navigator and bombardier.

 

And for the folks that say we would have pics of it because of cell phone cameras, then where are all of the pics of the stealth Blackhawk? The entire friggin WORLD saw the tail rotor from the Bin Laden raid so everyone knows it exists... And yet ZERO pics of the thing...

 

Things that the US military want to keep secret, they CAN keep secret..

Aurora is one of them...

I don't doubt that the US military could keep it secret from the public. But I DO doubt that "Aurora" would actually be an aircraft. It would be FAR more likely to simply be a stealthy satellite.

[outlawal2]

You have absolutely no idea how satellites and recon planes work..

The SR71 was in service in tandem with satellites because of the limitations inherent with a vehicle that travels in a consistent trajectory. THAT was my point about both sides tracking them.. Simply because they know the trajectory and can plan accordingly. Nothing at all to do with stealth. And though a satellite CAN maneuver somewhat, it takes way too much fuel to do so unless you are certain that you have something you absolutely need to see. Burning fuel to maneuver a satellite is a VERY rare event because you greatly reduce the usable life of the satellite. This is exactly why a high speed plane is required.. Also, your satellite may only pass over the intended target once a day and as I stated earlier your opposition will hide the target and try all kinds of shenanigans to fool you. A high speed plane on the other hand can be flown at any time and can catch your enemy off guard.. Especially if it flies at the speeds this thing is purported to fly..

 

And no I haven't flown it... And I don't know about Norris or Mr. T and whether they have flight credentials, but I do know a few things about what I am talking...

 

(Oh and I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night!)

[Night]

You have absolutely no idea how satellites and recon planes work..

The SR71 was in service in tandem with satellites because of the limitations inherent with a vehicle that travels in a consistent trajectory.

And the SR71 was taken out of service because satellite imagery has improved so dramatically and are no longer bound to a single preset trajectory. Satellites have gotten very advanced, and it is no longer a huge deal or costly expense to change the orbit of a satellite that could have been BUILT to be maneuverable.

 

THAT was my point about both sides tracking them.. Simply because they know the trajectory and can plan accordingly. Nothing at all to do with stealth.

Obviously, it's you who needs to read up on modern satellite technology. Stealth DOES matter in space. That is how the US and Russia can tell where each other's satellites are, even the ones with boosters who can change their trajectory easily. A stealth satellite, however, would change the game, and would allow the US to have high-fidelity images of any point on the globe within an hour, especially if they have several stealth satellites in space.

 

And though a satellite CAN maneuver somewhat, it takes way too much fuel to do so unless you are certain that you have something you absolutely need to see. Burning fuel to maneuver a satellite is a VERY rare event because you greatly reduce the usable life of the satellite. This is exactly why a high speed plane is required.. Also, your satellite may only pass over the intended target once a day and as I stated earlier your opposition will hide the target and try all kinds of shenanigans to fool you. A high speed plane on the other hand can be flown at any time and can catch your enemy off guard.. Especially if it flies at the speeds this thing is purported to fly..

First, satellites can maneuver just fine nowadays. They are not limited to tiny orbital corrections anymore, they can significantly change their flight trajectory.

 

The Aurora would be useless FIRST because if there was a very important and quickly changing event that didn't already have a possible US stealth satellite flying overhead, then the US could use rocket boosters to change the orbit VERY quickly. Satellites travel much faster than any Aurora ever could. Second, the US could build 30 or 40 of these stealth satellites to provide constant, 24/7 coverage of the entire globe without Russia or China being able to predict their orbit or ToT (Time over Target).

Edited August 23, 2013 by Night

[bumfire]

LOL, good one :thumbup:

Remember though if you read the witness accounts who were tracking the sonic booms and the ATC comms from Nevada, the thing was supposedly ~80,000 feet up and doing several mach.....just a touch beyond the capabilites of the B2 Spirit (which can't even get to mach 1)

 

B2s can go over mach one, well only when they blow up :helpsmilie:

[bumfire]

The Aurora would be useless, all of it's roles could be filled much cheaper through satellites and B2 bombers.

 

Not sure about an aurora perse, but their is definitely a stealth spy plane flying about, as space spy sats are not as clear as air based spy planes and sats cant see through cloud to get a good picture unless it uses radar or some other trick which wont give you the resolution of an optical air based spy plane, thus for the foreseeable future air based spy planes will still be needed.

 

Imho, their is something out there as spy sats are just not that great for doing certain jobs.

[sobek]

The problems inherent to scramjets have not been fully overcome yet. I very much doubt that any skunkworks studio had a > 20 years headstart over the scientific community in this specific subject. IMHO, this is just bogus.

[Feuerfalke]

Interesting people knowing about PRISM don't think that whoever has access to all data can alter it to their needs.

 

@ original topic:

In general I trust no video or statement that starts with "The truth about..."